TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

Maybe I can help you understand a bit where viewers like me are me coming from. I do see where people who really enjoy the show get it from, as they usually like it for the same reasons I do, but the stuff that for me kick me out of my immersion, just doesn't for them.

How is any of that second fiddle when every bit of that expansion was the driving force of each season?

I mean, that stuff is the reason I like a lot of Discovery.

But world-building and character development isn't just "going nuts" with expansion and imagination. All of that stuff, which there is a lot of, didn't feel properly thought out and planned to me. It was a barrage of ideas, very few of which landed for me. I can't even pull examples out of my head because it just didn't stay with me.

You point out some of the good ones, and that's the stuff I'm still begging for more of.

In my viewing, the only thing each season left me with really, was whatever big central plot element it had. So yes, the good ended up second fiddle to that. I would have preferred the show not work that way.

As mentioned, every show features a primary ship that ends up solving the conflicts or being a MAJOR player in it.

Another way to put it might be that other treks don't make their main ships feel like an inanimate Mary Sue? Or not as much. I don't mind the spore drive, I think it's cool af (even as to this day I'm iffy on the in-universe science it canonizes). Obviously the main ship and cast of a trek will somehow be part of major events, but disco never pulled that off without feeling contrived as hell to me.

I think that's why you see people comment this a lot. Discos writing has a "forced" tone to it that not everyone seems to notice. Perhaps best exemplified by the way characters will burst into tears way more than in most media. Makes me think of the Robot Devils criticism in futurama.

Even as the performances are competent, it's such a blatant attempt to pull at the viewers heartstrings it made me frustrated and thereby unable to stay immersed in what the character was feeling. Like the Robot Devil, rather then remaining engrossed, "that makes me angry". I can still see and appreciate the arc of the character, but the execution sabotages my ability to remain invested.

The same kind of thing would happen with where the ship was going, what would happen there, etc.

Again, overall, I enjoy the show. And while I know a lot of people suffer a similar experience to mine, I think the issues I run into when watching the show just don't register for others. Like how you're able to completely explain away my problems through the way you experience it.

I can totally see how the show would shine if you just rearrange the parts I experience as second fiddle into it's primary appeal. I just can't do that when watching the show.