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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 76 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well of course they're going to.

They've been blatantly backing Trump and the MAGA Republicans, and why wouldn't they?: They're ideological allies. They all want the same thing - moralistic and militaristic kleptocratic autocracies that will stand against the threat that progressivism poses to their unearned, undeserved and grossly destructive privilege.

It's not an accident that Tucker Carlson flew over to fellate Putin, or that Trump and the MAGA Republicans have undermined support for Ukraine at every turn, or that they've expressed increasing hostility toward NATO at every turn. As part of their fascist coup, the hard right wants to ultimately entirely switch sides - to ally with Russia and against Europe, since Russia represents everything they admire and Europe represents everything they hate.

Of course Russia is going to assist in that.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think it’s less about compatible ideologies and more about the intention to destabilize the west.

China and Russia know damn well that another Trump presidency will continue to drive America into the ground.

Considering they hate us this is their best move. They want us to crumble and Trump is our best bet for that.

A strong America is Russia and chinas biggest hurdle.

[–] paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 months ago

Considering they hate us this is their best move.

This is a super naive way of looking at geopolitics, especially regarding China. We are their biggest trade ally. If the US crumbles, both of our economies implode. Trump wants to put insane tariffs on our imports from China. An economically strong US is to China's benefit since we are their single biggest trade ally (comparable to the entire European Union, which includes major trade allies as well). A strong US is not "China's biggest hurdle."

Russia geopolitically benefits from Trump in power because, among other things, Trump is fine letting Russia continue to ravage Ukraine with war and wants to pull us out of NATO (or at least cut funding to it). We don't have strong trade relations with Russia so they aren't directly affected if we economically flounder (the weak trade relations is why the sanctions on Russia did basically nothing long-term; Russia was already doing very little trade with the US).

China is not interested in "destabilizing the west." They would obviously benefit from being the economic center of the world, but they get there via strong geopolitical and economic relations with other relevant countries (which means not trying to cause those countries to collapse). Russia has less incentive to avoid causing turmoil in the US and EU, but right now it would very directly benefit from a Trump presidency, which in this case would be the driver behind Russia's decision to help put Trump back in power.