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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Except the transitional stage often leads right back to fudalism/oligarchy.

[–] BachenBenno@feddit.de 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Somewhat, but democratic capitalism is a whole lot less oligarchical than straight up oligarchy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

Capitalism cannot be democratic. It's better than feudalism, but ultimately serves Capitalists.

[–] Crow_Thief@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Lmao, "democratic capitalism". Bro thats socialism.

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

also 'fudalism' is a funny typo considering this is F.U.D. about socialism and communism

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I don't get how what you linked relates to what I said. Could you clarify?

[–] culprit@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the United States expanded the geographic scope of its actions beyond traditional area of operations, Central America and the Caribbean. Significant operations included the United States and United Kingdom–planned 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion targeting Cuba, and support for the overthrow of Sukarno by General Suharto in Indonesia. In addition, the U.S. has interfered in the national elections of countries, including Italy in 1948,[1] the Philippines in 1953, Japan in the 1950s and 1960s[2][3] Lebanon in 1957,[4] and Russia in 1996.[5] According to one study, the U.S. performed at least 81 overt and covert known interventions in foreign elections during the period 1946–2000.[6] According to another study, the U.S. engaged in 64 covert and six overt attempts at regime change during the Cold War.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

How does that information inform whether the revolution and dictatorship of the proletariat tends to lead to socialism or back to oligarchy.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Name one time when that's happened.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Neither of those countries returned to a feudal system. Where are the nobles, with entrenched legal privileges, with titles passed down on a hereditary basis, commanding their own armies? What a ridiculous claim.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's why I said /oligarchy. Both became oligarchys.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Elmer Fudalism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

Does it? Is Oligarchy just when you have a government but no or little Capitalism?