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    Flatpak haters seem to believe that if an app isn't on their distro's repos, it's the developers' fault. (lemmy.world)
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    [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    If I can choose between flatpack and distro package, distro wins hands down.

    If the choice then is flatpack vs compile your own, I think I'll generally compile it, but it depends on the circumstances.

    [–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Why?

    [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Because it's easier to use the version that's in the distro, and why do I need an extra set of libraries filling up my disk.

    I see flatpack as a last resort, where I trade disk space for convenience, because you end up with a whole OS worth of flatpack dependencies (10+ GB) on your disk after a few upgrade cycles.

    [–] F04118F@feddit.nl 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Is compiling it yourself with the time and effort that it costs worth more than a few GB of disk space?

    Then your disk is very expensive and your labor very cheap.

    [–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

    For a lot of project "compiling yourself", while obviously more involved than running some magic install command, is really not that tedious. Good projects have decent documentation in that regard and usually streamline everything down to a few things to configure and be done with it.

    What's aggravating is projects that explicitly go out of their way to make building them difficult, removing existing documentation and helper tools and replacing them with "use whatever we decided to use". I hate these.

    [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

    I should have noted that I'll compile myself when we are talking about something that should run as a service on a server.

    [–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 4 months ago

    99% of the time it's just "make && sudo make install" or something like that. Anything bigger or more complicated typically has a native package anyway.

    [–] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    They didn't say anything about compiling it themselves, just that they prefer native packages to flatpak

    edit: I can't read

    [–] Batbro@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

    2 comments up they said

    If the choice then is flatpack vs compile your own, I think I'll generally compile it, but it depends on the circumstances.

    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    I mean it's 2024. I regularly download archives that are several tens or even over 100 GB and then completely forget they're sitting on my drive, because I don't notice it when the drive is 4TB. Last time I cared about 10GB here and there was in the late-2000s.

    [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Great that you have 4tb on your root partition then by all means use flatpack.

    I have 256Gb on my laptop, as I recall I provisioned about 40-50gigs to root.

    [–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I'm sorry. I didn't realize people were still regularly using such constrained systems. Honest. I've homebuilt my PCs for the last 15 years.

    [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

    Why not upgrade your hdd?

    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    flatpak has dedub, so no

    [–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

    Yep that's all well and good, but what flatpack doesn't do automatically is clean up unused libs/dependencies, over time you end up with several versions of the same libs. When the apps are upgraded they get the latest version of their dependency and leave the old behind.

    [–] 4am@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Stubbornness

    [–] fossphi@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago

    Based

    [–] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

    I'm 100% on this camp.

    [–] azenyr@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

    I change my opinion depending on which app it is. I use KDE, so any KDE app will be installed natively for sure for perfect integration. Stuff like grub costumizer etc all native. Steam, Lutris, GIMP, Discord, chrome, firefox, telegram? Flatpak, all of those. They don't need perfect integration and I prefer the stability, easy upgrades and ease of uninstall of flatpak. Native is used when OS integration is a must. Flatpak for everything else. Especially since sometimes the distro's package is months/years old... prefering distro packages for everything should be a thing of the past.