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I tried to ask a another youtuber Living Anachronism who has worked with Shadiversity if he knew about Shad's homophobic content & the mod delete my question, told me asking about that was against the no drama rule, that it wasn't homophobic & proceeded to try to gaslight me with pseudo-intellectual bullshit.

I'm tired of bringing thing up in non queer spaces only to be told that's it not actually homophobic.

The original video I referred to:https://youtu.be/GiyMDN9j2OU?si=bDqnc1pCG8t3HASp

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[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure why one would need to be LGBT to point out homophobia? I'm not gay, half my parents are, I'll call it out whenever I see it.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is more about straight people who tell qweer people calling out homophobia that it's not homophobia & downplaying their experience.

[–] turboshadowcool@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago

Well then why not say that then? I could follow the rest of the screenshot conversation but that part confused me. Anyone should be able to call out homophobia and gatekeeping the right to such critique hardly benefits any oppressed groups. And I think we probably agree on that.

Your statement likely made more sense in context, but that's missing in the screenshot. Generalizations like this are wrong and easy enough to avoid.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

You do not need to be, but a LGBTQ+ person will probably have more 'experience' with this discrimination and thus know when it's bad. They can often recognise it earlier and better, exactly because they themselves often are the victims of it, and experience the effects.

If you're not LGBTQ+, you don't really experience homophobia yourself. That said, you should still call it out.

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

There's a way to call it out. And it isnt inciting a pitchfork waving mob.or.publicly shaming someone.

This doesn't change peoples.opinions. it entrenches them. You know how to actually.create change in people with abhorrent opinions?

Exposure. Education (and not in a patronizing way). There's a guy that's been de-racisting KKK members for years, and he does it by just kind of hanging out with them.

The way people call things out gives people ammunition for their persecution complexes and makes them double down on their beliefs. It may feel good to scream "you're a fucking homophobe" from the rafters but it makes the problem worse.

It doesnt mean someone isnt homophobic. But the aggregate of this approach is to create communities of people that cling to these ideologies like life rafts.

Like. There is no better way to ensure they never have a real interaction with a gay person than trying to have the entire internet shame them for being homophobic.

Even if this dude wakes up tomorrow and sees the error of his ways would be ever be allowed to forget the public and humiliating fashion in which it was called out?

I've no doubt this dude deserves to be called out for being ignorant but it also doesn't work. Its hard to listen to opinions you know are wrong, especially when they're based on ignorance, but the only way this guys opinion changes if he sees firsthand that gay people are just like him in every way that counts.

So if you want to call him out and publicly shame him go ahead, because he no doubt deserves it, but don't be surprised when he just doubles down on it all.