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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 21 points 4 months ago (5 children)

The pod save America group had a mini debate about the issue.
Two key things: A new candidate allows Dems to sidestep the Gaza issue A new candidate means the age issue vanishes.

As to 'its just a bad debate' - it is the worst presidential debate in modern history. That's a tough thing to climb out from.

Imo, I hope one of the candidates die from natural causes before the conventions and sidestep this craziness altogether.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Absolute best case scenario, Biden dies of natural causes and Trump rots in jail. Only concerning thing in that scenario is that I'm not convinced Trump being in jail is enough to stop the morons from voting for him.

[–] Aphelion@lemm.ee 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, best case is Biden kicks it and Trump has a massive stroke on stage at a rally, that leaves half his face dropping and him unable to speak. Anything short of him being completely mentally disabled and disqualified from the ballot isn't enough. Prison will never stop his run even if he's sentenced.

[–] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

THE DERP STATE PUT CHEMICALS IN THE WATER AND MADE TRUMP HAVE A STROKE ITS EVEN WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT IF THEY CAN GET TO HIM THEY CAN GET TO YOU NO OME IS SAFE YOUR FAMILY IS IN IMMEDIATE HARM JUST LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO THE SMARTEREST MAN ALIVE NO OME IS SAFE UOU ARE IN DAMGER VOTE FOR TRUMP TO FINALLY STOP THE DERP STATE ONLY BY VOTING FOR DUMP CAN WE FINALLY SaVE AmERicA FROM THE CLUTCHES OF TYRRANY AT THE HANDS OF THE VILE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY.

These people live in their own delusional fantasy land and literally nothing will change their minds. My own father thinks Trump had a stunning performance at the debate and is literally enraged at me and everyone around him for not voting for dump. Donald trump is the sole source of truth for him. I'm pretty sure ol Donnie could say the sky is purple and the moon is fake and my dad would believe him.

[–] Aphelion@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Yes, totally agree, his supporters will make up all sorts of unhinged conspiracy theories, but it won't change his medical inability to execute to the duties of the POTUS. We just need some solid article 25 material.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm not sure donnie dying just before the election would be enough. Chances are if he gets the hamburger from heaven they find a way to have junior serve out donnie's term or something...

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

And it's not just a single debate, it's a thing people will recognize from their own elderly relatives' declines. They'll be sharp as a tack at some times and in some situations and in others they'll be confused and incoherent. There's no reason to believe this is a one-off incident that won't reoccur publicly during the next 4 months. We've already been seeing some questionable senior moments that have been brushed aside as being out of context or just some simple mistake unrelated to age. Who really believes those narratives after seeing the debate?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As to ‘its just a bad debate’ - it is the worst presidential debate in modern history. That’s a tough thing to climb out from.

Not to mention, there's only 2 debates. Best Biden can do now is 1-1.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Best Biden can do is fuck off to the next life before the 2nd debate.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You're actually saying with a straight face that this was worse than the debate in 2020 where trump interrupted every single sentence? That's fucking rich to me. That was some of the most embarrassing public moments America has endured.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden at least got some good "C'mon, man."s out of the chaotic format.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I guess. Just sucks that Trump being an awful person doesn't work against him but the old guy getting tongue tied does.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes. It was worse.

And yes, that was also the things you said it was.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The previous debate was far, far worse. But don't let that get in the way of your exaggerations

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why is it exaggerating to have a different opinion...?

That's dismissive and rude.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

I think a lot of people watched the debate (or didn't) and are flipping out about it. I watched the whole thing, it was cringy and sad. But it didn't really change anything unless the people in power provide another democratic candidate. If we talk ad nauseum about how bad it was for Biden, all that does is discourage voters into staying at home.

I despise the idea that the louder more confident liar is seen as "better" somehow. But even Democrats are running with that idea right now. Biden getting overwhelmed a few times doesn't invalidate his presidency past or future

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That was actually a valid debate strategy for his toxic base. Losing your train of thought and failing to land points on your opponent is not.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 4 months ago

That's the thing: Trump is playing to his base, whenever he is rude. It is unfair that liberals demand more from their candidates than conservatives but that is the way that it is. Knowing this, someone could aim to win, or else they could... not, I guess.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I just finished up listening to that episode. Actually far less "light" than that show typically is, and I really quite enjoyed that debate.