But knowing how to stop someone bleeding to death can be useful in other dystopian situations as well. Like industrial accidents from bad management and OSHA/child-labor violations. Or non-gun injuries from abusive adults.

Or just stupid stuff that kids and/or adults do to maim themselves, like avocado knife injuries.

Don't knock the first aid training.

Do go after the guns.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like industrial accidents from bad management and OSHA/child-labor violations.

Yes, which certainly we'd expect a kindergartener to encounter. /s

If you have a situation in your country where you're regularly expecting kindergartners to perform first aid, you've failed them before you've even kicked off the lesson.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Rather than me copypasting a link, you Google

"Child labor slaughterhouses"

and pick a news source that works for you. (Because NYT works for me but might give you a paywall, whereas CNN pops up a bunch of irritating ads for me, for instance.)

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The problem is the slaughterhouses hiring children, not that the children working there can't moonlight as EMTs. 🤦

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was actually cleaning companies that worked after hour and used children in cleaning slaughterhouses. Which is of course terrible and dangerous. (Slightly less traumatic than actually killing the animals but still inexcusable.)

I'm not recommending it. It was what I was referring to as dystopian.

But even in my childish '60s childhood there was a bicycle accident where knowing something to do about stopping bleeding would have helped both the other kid and me.

Having been in life-or-death medical situations since then, it's a lot less mentally traumatic if you know something you can do and focus on trying to do it right, instead of trying to figure out from scratch what if anything you could do.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Dude we're discussing kindergartners.

A kindergartener having to even be in high trauma situations in the first place is a societal failing, and one that probably shouldn't be papered over by giving them first aid training but instead be handled by addressing the reasons why you're putting so many kindergarteners in traumatic situations in the first place.

Edit: I can see the case for this type of training in young adulthood, but kindergartners? GTFOH

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Obviously society is broken, and guns are doing a lot of the breaking. The people teaching these classes agree about that as well. But they're not in a position to fix that. They're trying to use the skills they have to mitigate one part of the fuckedness. Maybe two parts: a kindergartner could perhaps save their friend's life one day, and in the meantime they're already having justified nightmares about shootings, so maybe the lesson will let them turn those dreamstories in a slightly better direction.