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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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Nonlinear seem to think this post replying to the accusations about them will make them look like the heroes (forum.effectivealtruism.org)
submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by dgerard@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems
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warning: seriously nasty narcissism at length

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[โ€“] Evinceo@awful.systems 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Also this:

Have you ever made a social gaff? Does the idea of somebody exclusively looking for and publishing negative things about you make you feel uneasy? Terrified?

(spooky hands)

I actually played this game with some of my friends to see how easy it was. I tried to say only true things but in a way that made them look like villains. It was terrifyingly easy. Even for one of my oldest friends, who is one of the more universally-liked EAs, I could make him sound like a terrifying creep.

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I could do this for any EA org. I know of so many conflicts in EA that if somebody pulled a Ben Pace on, it would explode in a similar fashion.

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[โ€“] swlabr@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those are asymptotically approaching "Are we the baddies?" levels of self-awareness.

[โ€“] Evinceo@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It almost reads as a threat... 'don't stop our gravy train, or we'll lash out and reveal what we know!'

[โ€“] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It was dubious but for me the last sentence crosses the line into it being a threat. I dont get why they include this on their defense post, didn't anybody proofread this and go 'wow this part makes you look really manipulative and the last line is just a threat, as the previous ones show you have the moral capability to do this to your friends, and now you mention you have insider knowledge'. (Also lol, if now somebody drops accusations like this anonymously, the obvious people accused would be them. If they are right and the people accusing them are super accusers who just drop shit on other people for their personal gain they just gave them plausible deniability (I assume their previous employees have access to the same knowledge))

Also: 'so many conflicts in EA', looks like there is more content for us in the future.

[โ€“] Evinceo@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago

This is a 60 minute post. Nobody proofread this. They're hoping few people will read the whole thing, and they're probably right.