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[–] BobTheDestroyer@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So, serious question, how do you think dismantling the fossil fuel industry would work? As of the last available data world energy consumption is still about 80% from fossil fuels. It is not possible to replace those energy inputs with renewables. "There is simply just not enough time, nor resources to do this by the current target set by the World’s most influential nations. What may be required, therefore, is a significant reduction of societal demand for all resources, of all kinds. This implies a very different social contract and a radically different system of governance to what is in place today."

So, since they can't be substituted with other energy sources, to eliminate fossil fuels voluntarily would mean everyone, everywhere agreeing to give up a large part of the comfort we have become accustomed to. Setting aside for the moment the inequity of the global energy usage distribution, how would you go about convincing people that we all need to stop using the majority of the gas and electricity we currently do? What would that look like? We have built entire societies dependent on on endless low cost energy. What happens in places that can't function without it?

It's going to happen eventually. Fossil fuels are non-renewable. Once we use them up they're gone. I just don't see any way we will agree to an organized, cooperative, managed decline in usage. I think we instead we will fight for what's left and pretend everything is fine until it all just collapses. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to imagine what that will look like.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Serious answer: the oil dependent society is barely a century old.

We are all just selfish assholes.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 0 points 4 months ago

A lot of coal was used for another 100 years or so before that. Lower global population back then.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Start with a carbon tax. It's crazy that the one thing in the world that's free everywhere is air pollution that destroys the whole planet. And many of the activities that contribute to it are heavily subsidized. Just make things cost what they should cost, and the rest solves itself.