The ROC [Russian Orthodox Church] currently claims exclusive jurisdiction over the Eastern Orthodox Christians, irrespective of their ethnic background, who reside in the former member republics of the Soviet Union, excluding Georgia.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church

Politics and religion have always been one and the same: the reason there are two creation myths in Genesis (and many other duplicate tales) is because authors from both Israel and Judea wrote them, often with the aim of elevating their interpretation of Yahweh/El and lowering the importance of the other kingdom. We have Protestantism because an English king got pissy.

This is no different. The Russian church claims dominion over Kiev and they are rejecting that, much moreso than they have in previous years. The ROC is acting as one more arm of the Kremlin and trying to use religion to spread influence.

[–] theinspectorst@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We have Protestantism because an English king got pissy.

We have Anglicanism because an English king got pissy. Anglicanism is one flavour of Protestantism, and not the first one.

Martin Luther published his Ninety Five Theses in Wittenberg (Germany) in 1517 - the start of the Protestant Reformation. Prussia adopted Lutheranism in 1525, becoming the first Protestant state. Anglicanism and the English Reformation formally emerged with the Reformation Parliament of 1529-36 and split from Rome in 1534.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

We have Protestantism because an English king got pissy.

That doesn't sound right. The Reformation was the birth of Protestantism when the priest Martin Luther rejected the then Pope's abuse of power and Catholicism's manufactured distance between god and man with the priesthood in the middle.

I think you're thinking about the pissy English king that rejected Catholicism and created Anglicanism because he wanted to divorce his wife and the Pope wouldn't give him permission.

[–] abraham_linksys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do Ukrainians generally subscribe to Russian Orthodox specifically? My 20 seconds of Wikipedia seem to indicate that the "Orthodox Vatican" is in Turkey so it's not like any holy whatever is owned by Russia? I obviously have no clue what I'm talking about

[–] Nowyn@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no Orthodox Vatican. While the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is first among equals Orthodox church comprises self-governing canonical areas. The majority of Orthodox patriarchates fall under either Russian, Greek or Constantinople Patriarchates. The Orthodox Patriarchate of Ukraine has fallen under Russian Patriarchate since early modern times but the Patriarchate of Kyiv existed before Muscovite Patriarchate. There has been multiple attempts to return it under Greek Patriarchate with varying success but they have been separate although not recognized by Russian Patriarchate since 2018.

And that was probably as many times as I have ever written Patriarchate on one text.

[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So one could say that the Orthodox Church is federated 😎

[–] abraham_linksys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Very interesting that the power isn't so centralized in Orthodox Christianity. Catholicism is so strangely archaic and centralized....I guess I just assumed the same of Orthodox.

Well fuckin neato. TIL.

[–] Calimhero@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

There are different patriachs in Orthodoxy. A tradition dating from the Roman empire. Our pope is basically the patriach of Italy. Now as you can imagine the patriach of Constantinopole, the capital of the empire at that time, has special status. But it's just that. In practice, each patriach rules over their geographic zone.

Quite stoned, hope this makes sense.