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    [–] z00s@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    But they layer so many unwanted services and bloatware on top that it makes it hard to use. Being forced to be online to log in and forced use of OneDrive confuses new users just as much

    [–] ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    It sounds like you've read about but not used windows for a while tbh. The going online thing is true, but its not exactly confusing. Not sure what you mean by onedrive, I uninstalled it years ago.

    [–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    I think you haven't installed (not used) windows in a while if you don't understand what he means by the forced onedrive

    [–] ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    It's my daily on 3 of 6 machines, 2 are installs from the last year

    [–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

    I installed Windows on a device yesterday. I had to switch to the command prompt and type in "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" in order to just not connect it to the internet and skip the Microsoft sign in prompt. And that seems to work for the most part. Sending diagnostic data is still required and not optional but ah well.

    A few days ago on another friend's setup, he didn't know that this option existed (who does really), so he signed up for a Microsoft account, logged in and his Documents and other folders were automatically getting synced to OneDrive. Now, for you and me, we understand that just uninstalling OneDrive should fix that or even just disable that feature itself. But this is opt-out and not opt-in. And he doesn't really understand it's getting synced, he simply sees that there's oddly increased data usage. This is the kind of person who will have recall enabled without ever realising it exists or even using it, but will still have it as a potential security issue waiting to happen on his setup.

    It's all the opt-ins that Microsoft does. Everything defaults to "yes, do that worst thing possible". And you and me will probably switch it off, but we're not the average person. The average person doesn't understand or care.

    [–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Being forced to be online to log in and forced use of OneDrive confuses new users just as much

    You're not forced to use either of those, IIRC. Just set it up without connecting to the internet or without signing in.

    [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

    No, there are no facilities for installing W11 offline or without a MS account anymore. MS removed those.

    [–] TdotMatrix@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Can still use the "Shift + F10 and type OOBE/BYPASSNRO" option. A non-online method is still necessary for corporate environments that use Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT) or other tools to image computers in bulk. See more details here: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/door-slammed-on-last-remaining-easy-windows-11-local-account-setup-workaround

    [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

    But god forbid someone ever has to open a Linux terminal.

    [–] z00s@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
    [–] z00s@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
    [–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

    The last time I had to setup a Windows profile (late last year on my then-new laptop), that was the case. Has that changed?

    [–] Aux@lemmy.world -5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why would you skip online login? It protects your laptop from being stolen, it syncs settings between devices, etc. Do you skip online logins for Android and iOS phones too? Of course you don't!

    [–] ruse8145@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago
    [–] Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    "Online login protects your laptop from being stolen" is the most unhinged broken logic I've read in a while ngl

    [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

    Are you trolling? Or completely ignorant?