Even if you disagree with them, Trotskyists are not tankies, simple Marxists aren't tankies, leftists curious and exploring different theories aren't tankies, and ffs anarchists like myself are not tankies.
I feel like "tankie" indicated a very specific worldview at one time, but it's been used lately a lot to mean things like "doesn't agree with nations supporting oppression and inequity up to and including genocide" -- which is drastically at odds with how I've seen the term used in the past, no?
There are almost certainly bad actors (paid trolls) infiltrating leftist spaces, both as extremists and "concerned centrists" attempting to divide, confuse, and disrupt any communities that are developing. I believe one of the big goals is to encourage violence and extremism. They had a lot of success with this among young men and teens, pushing fascist ideology. Now they are trying the same on the left. If not that, then division and confusion will also be satisfactory.
As for "liberals", give me a break. There is no liberal invasion. Again it's trolls. Don't fall for it.
Don't be paranoid, just be aware.
Hmmm I've looked at a lot of liberals' comment histories in the fediverse, and they seem like they're being genuine. This doesn't sound right. I think it's very dangerous to assume everyone is a troll.
As much as I dislike the liberal shit, I'm not fond of dehumanizing people by assuming they're all bots, shills, and trolls. I think it's misconceptions like that which cause the really harmful division.
Why would "liberals" even be here? Are there even any liberals left under the age of 40? What is with this liberal scare stuff? I'm just not seeing it.
Edit: changed over to under.
Where is "here" in your comment? If it's Lemmy in general, lemmy.world is packed with liberals thanks to the earlier Reddit diaspora. Now they're interacting with actual leftists and some are losing their shit over it. I believe that's what prompted the post.
Ah ok, I use beehaw.org and even though I always switch to "all" posts, I'm probably not seeing all of the relevant discussions. That and lemmy.world is defederated, even so I do lurk on .world. Now I kinda want to see these freakout posts.
Oh boy, then do I have something for you! One of the more prolific tankie decriers on .world goes by PugJesus. If you check their profile, you'll be able to find a ton of it.
I wanted to avoid dropping names, but that one user is solely responsible for a big part of the problem on that instance. If you ask them, they'll claim to be leftist, but they constantly lash out at the left, and every political opinion they espouse is very centrist/liberal
They've straight up called me a fascist because I said I disagree with the incarceration and deportation of Latin-American immigrants, no matter how popular the idea is that we should persecute them. I don't bother to comment much on .world anymore because every thread is a cesspit of toxicity.
PJ is one of those liberals who'll say they support leftist policy personally but it's just not popular among 'most people' so we shouldn't act on them.
A status quo warrior through and through.
They make me understand how something like the Holocaust can happen. "The majority of people hate [x ethnic group], so that makes it ok to persecute them."
...today I learned that apparently supporting basic human rights for immigrants is fascism.
Whatever that person is smoking, I want some of it...
And yeah, I try to keep an open mind but it feels like .world tends to lean pretty toxic lately...
The thing that gives me hope is I also see a lot of .world users speaking out against that type of behavior, but yeah I agree things have been toxic, and it's unfortunate that a lot of it seems to stem from very influential users, including mods.
They're wild. I've observed them many times and even talked with them a few. I believe their stance for any given discussion is whatever they feel makes them appear right to the most people at the time.
I honestly think they just try to get a rise out of people so they can argue and gain approval from others like them.
I tend to agree. They don't appear to have any consistent ideology whatsoever.
There are a lot of liberals of every age, unfortunately. It's a widely popular worldview that is killing us all.
I ask myself this every time I ban one lol. Even though it's expressly against the rules, they still come here on a daily basis. They seem to have an innate need to dominate the conversation. This tracks with their centrism, allyship of political convenience/popularity, and defense of capitalism, coupled with their desire to be seen as the "good" and "wise" voices in the room, in spite of all the atrocities they support.