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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
 

no one fucking told me about states banning RCV during all that yapping on here about how i should VOTE THIRD PARTY OR ELSE IM COMPLICIT in the DNCs CRIMES

it may or may not be joever, very blackpilled at this moment

edit it’s actually 10 states. 5 in the past two months.

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[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

your characterization is bad faith. my degree is in philosophy. i know what my ethics are, and it's not "Bask in innocence at all costs". it's "do the right thing". the right thing cannot be determined by the outcome since we can't know the future, so it would be impossible to know what the right thing to do is. therefore, the ethics of the action must be in the action itself. murdering people is bad. pulling the lever is bad. qed.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You do know the future though. At least - to some extent. You know that one of two candidates is going to be elected, not matter what. Or, at least, almost no matter what. Maybe a huge asteroid will hit the Earth and the elections won't matter. But the probability for these is so low, that you can effectively "count on" the fact that one of these two candidates is going to get elected.

The only question is which one.

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

knowledge of the future is impossible since you can only know true things and the future hasn't happened yet, so it has no truth value.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the entire anti-voting argument based on the knowledge that the candidate you'll vote for will do bad things in the future?

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

no? it's knowing what they've said and done in the past

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What they've said and done in the past serves as an indicator for what they'll do in the future if elected. If you ignore that aspect, then voting becomes a system for rewarding politicians rather than a system for deciding the future of a country.

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but the ethics can't be in what they do in the future. the ethics of the action are in the vote itself, and the only information yo uhave is about the past.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So... ^(1)^ voting for bad people is bad, not because they'll do bad things if they'll be put in power, but because ^jump\ to\ (1)^?

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the ethics are in the action itself. yes.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So it all boils down to "because I said so" and I can't argue with that because you really did say so...

[–] PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I'm not over here trying to argue you out of consequentialism. there is absolutely no way you're going to argue a degreed philosopher out of deontology (today. you could learn, maybe)