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[–] rook@awful.systems 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He doesn't really play with the multiple-copies-of-one-person interacting though, from recollection. The Stone Canal touches on it, but Accelerando thinks a lot more about the interesting possibilities of what Stross calls "Multiplicity", where folk can freely fork many instances of themselves and potentially join the mind states up again later, etc. Revelation Space cheated its way around thinking about the issue by having alpha-levels be copy-protected. Altered Carbon has it be a rare and brief thing for anyone to be running in more than one place at once. I can see why they did this, but Stross' stuff is more interesting because he didn't shy away from that. I feel like this should be right up Peter Watts' alley, but I don't think he's written anything on this (yet). Uploads not plausible enough for him, I guess.

For other works that you may or may not be familiar with... Lena (or MMAcevedo, which seems like a better title) is a nice short online work that does a better job. Soma is a computer game (in the "walking simulator" style) that also has some great moments, though the protagonist is annoyingly oblivious.

[–] self@awful.systems 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

somehow I hadn’t read Lena before, and I really like it! this is the style of fiction I’d love to write, if I had time to write fiction.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

you have the entire qntm site to read now

[–] self@awful.systems 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

featuring a strong recommendation from @cstross@wandering.shop:

"[D]elivers a refreshing dose of existential despair at the transhuman condition." — Charles Stross

this is making me want print copies of everything, and I haven’t even dug in past Lena yet

[–] self@awful.systems 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I stumbled upon this response blog post to people missing the point of Lena and it’s perfect:

Oh boy, what if there was a maligned sector of human society whose members were for some reason considered less than human? What if they were less visible than most people, or invisible, and were exploited and abused, and had little ability to exercise their rights or even make their plight known?

That's real! That actually happens! You can name four groups of people matching that description without even thinking. We don't need to add some manufactured debate about fictitious, magical uploads to these real scenarios. They are already terrible!

and now I’m trying to brainstorm ways to slip a link to awful.systems into qntm’s inbox that don’t look insane

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, I've got my Brit post-cyberpunk authors mixed up :D

I have read Lena and it's one of the most chilling stories I've ever read. Something about the semi-factual tone (of course there's something called red-washing to torture new uploads) and the statement of number of running uploads is really disturbing.

It also posits a possible , and to me more likely, future of human uploading - not a flowering of possibilities ala Tegmark but digital slavery.