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So far, every communist country in history has turned out to be dominated by power hierarchies, with dictators and juntas at the top.
Which means they aren't communist countries.
Again, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic.
Read some fucking Marx. Hell, just read the word 'communism.' As in communal. As in no hierarchies because the community decides everything.
Right, because there's no such thing as a communist country. It's a flawed idea that doesn't work in reality.
Kind of like how every time machine ends up being fake.
And yet there are communist communities, sometimes large ones, all over the world which function just fine. Because they don't have hierarchies. And your claim was that communist societies have the same hierarchies. They do not.
Communes only really function within a capitalist society. You can have nice little communal farm for a short amount of time, but that's only because the challenges like a legal system, national defense, etc, are handled by a hierarchical government. If you're in a good country, the people can vote and have a degree of influence on those in power in the hierarchy to ensure they don't get too corrupt.
Even communes ultimately fail because hierarchies form within the commune, and the people at the bottom get tired of doing all the work and leave. That's even when they aren't deciding the laws and don't have to worry about national defense. When communists are deciding the laws and have control over national defense, then oh yeah... there's gonna be a hierarchy.
That's utter nonsense. Communes predate capitalism by thousands of years. The first known settled town was a commune. There are no detectable hierarchies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%87atalh%C3%B6y%C3%BCk#Economy
Currency wouldn't even exist for a good 5000 years after Çatalhöyük.
As far as "ultimately" failing, it lasted at least 900 years, which much is longer than most countries around today have been in existence.
Nice try though.
So... towns existed thousands of years ago... not sure what that proves about anything.
This is what you said:
Çatalhöyük was a commune. There were no hierarchies, no division of labor between class or gender. It lasted 900 years. It predated capitalism by millennia.
I'm not sure why you don't understand why that proves you wrong.