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The Cloudflare Poison (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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Daily reminder that sites "protected" by cloudflare are effectively MITM attacks. HTTPS is now even more worthless. Cloudflare can see everything. this is a known fact and not a theory.

And if you think Cloudflare aren't being tapped by the NSA, you're sadly sadly naive.

All the "privacy respecting" sites use it too. So remember, as soon as you see that cloudflare portal page, you can assume that everything you plug into the site is property of NSA Inc. Trust no one, and do not trust code being served to you over the web if it comes through CF, there is no way to know what they've modified.

Edit: good info link below https://serverfault.com/questions/662946/does-cloudflare-know-the-decrypted-content-when-using-a-https-connection

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[–] cursed_technology@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago (3 children)

CloudFlare is a huge danger to a free and open internet, in my opinion. I cringe every time I hear privacy-conscious people recommend it.

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

there's no alternative tho, and by definition alternatives will have the same level of access...

[–] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, there's alternatives: Aws, Google cloud and Azure all have their own cdns if you want to use those

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

they don't offer reasonable free tiers (I don't have a reliable source of income and i just need it for hobby stuff) and I'm unable to sign up with either of those with my ukrainian credit card anyway (they all reject both my credit and debit cards)
well i haven't tried signing up for azure yet but I don't have much hope

also I don't care about it's cdn features, i need a dns server and a way to proxy ipv4 traffic over ipv6 (and cloudflare tunnels for ssh)

[–] Scolding0513@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

absolute fax

I cannot begin to tell how pissed this makes me.

Please for the love of all that is holy, do NOT call your site or yourself "privacy-respecting" or "privacy-oriented", and then meet me with a Cloudflare MITM to knowingly and willingly give over everything i input in your site to NSA Inc.

I'm sick to my stomach of all these orgs and companies and people talking about privacy, and then they constantly do all these kinds of things thst prove that they don't actually care about privacy or anonymity or anything in between. They are Vipers and Snakes trying to make a quick dollar on a buzzword. It's become sadly trite.

We must return to the dark ages of p2p. The age of self-hosting, blockchain (the truly good parts like monero), ipfs, bittorrent, tor onions, i2p, any other p2p or decentralized network - these kinds of things are all that stands between us and internet controlled by a handful of NSA-worshipping megacorps.

[–] xilona@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

This is why I like this community so much!

I always learn from people like you!

We discuss, sometimes we agree sometimes we don't, but we speak our minds freely and come up with some neat solutions!

Thank you!

Its time to use the technology for the benefits of humans not against them!

Let's look into better solutions together!

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

True but from what I can tell there isn't much in way of alternatives as Cloudflare is huge.

I wish Lemmy instances would find alternatives.

[–] sip@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

for a public platform, isn't it kinda pointless? except for the clear text passwords... oh wait :/