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[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Remember kids, just because the world are build that way back then, doesn't mean you will want it to be that way right now.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is that way right now. Quit paying your rent or property taxes and see how long it takes for men with guns to show up to convince you to go elsewhere.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Maybe you did beat the previous property owner to death and gain control your current home, but i didn't gain control of a property via violence. 🀷

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Get a load of this person, thinks they aren't complicit in the violence they benefit from just because they technically aren't holding a literal gun

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying you're aware of the benefit you gained from the violence by the system and you're still choose to complicit with it? What are you, jeff bezos?

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

The violence is buying into the system or suffering a slow death from destitution and exposure, so yes

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You don't control your property. I'll say it again - stop paying for it and you'll find out.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I do control my property, but i don't control the land my property on. The post is talking about gaining property via violence, you're talking about how i don't have control of my property. Why you keep fixated on the wrong thing is beyond me, but if you think we're anywhere close to how we gain property in lawless time, then you're way off the mark.

Anarchist always think they will win the violence game, and they should totally visit Sudan to test how far their ideology will go.

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

Some grandma being lawfully evicted from their home is violence.

This isn't a discussion about pillaging on horseback, it's a discussion about how regulatory capture, predatory businesses, and other exploitation is morally similar to pillaging on horseback. Not a discussion about a tied up hostage with a gun to their head, it's about how the threat of homelessness is the gun, you are a hostage.

[–] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm telling you you're wrong. If you displease the government your property can be seized or destroyed. Resistance will be met with violence. Further, it's not even necessary for you personally to offend those who really control your property. If a fleeing felon takes shelter in your home or business your property can be destroyed in the ensuing violence and you won't be compensated. Guess what happens next? You pay the bills to get the property back up to standards or get run off through further violence or the implicit threat of violence. The next person to come along and buy your property will swear up and down that violence had nothing to do with their purchase. Ultimately you have only the control that those who monopolize violence grant to you, and only so long as that control does not conflict with their priorities.