I dabble in both. These cables are nowhere near messed up enough to count as cable gore. I saw a rack where someone decided that the VOIP switches didn't need port maps so every time they moved a phone around (don't ask me why they didn't just fix it in the config) they would just run a new patch cable from the port on the switch to the new port on the patch panel. Rinse and repeat for about 5 years and the rats nest of yellow cabling was a beauty to behold.