this post was submitted on 04 Jun 2024
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More than the US? The country that maintained slaves for many generations, on land taken from slaughteted and genocided indigenous peoples? The country that is to this day actively supporting genocide purely to protect its economic interests via Imperialism?
You may want to look at the actual numbers, rather than relying on vibes.
I'm not skipping over China. You're getting upset that someone is correctly calling out the United States.
Genocide of Indigenous Americans resulted in 4-8 million murders.
American slavery resulted in dozens of millions of deaths and forced labor.
The entirety of Iraqi infrastructurw returned to pre-industrial levels specifically to make the Iraqi state more liable to respond to US Demands on false pretenses.
260 million bombs dropped on Laos on mere suspicions of pro-Communist activity.
Hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians murdered via napalm, agent orange, and raw gunfire.
Unwavering support for Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians via a genocidal Aparthied regime
Many massacres of both North and South Koreans during the Korean War, installing a far-right dictator in the Republic of Korea who murdered his own citizens regularly
Unwavering support for a fascist, slave-owning regime in Cuba to protect US interests
Countless more. Do I really need to go on to illustrate just how evil the American Empire is, and why pulling a whataboutism to distract from this might be seen as insensitive?
I generally agree with you, but honestly, pro-China and pro-Soviet users talking about American deaths is whataboutism itself. I'm not saying they shouldn't, but it's rather glaring how much they avoid their own missteps.
Where was China or the USSR mentioned on this post? Purely in the comments section, and purely to assert that the US's crimes are not as bad.
This post isn't saying that the PRC and the USSR have never performed crimes. It isn't avoiding their missteps, the purpose of this post is to talk about by far the worst Empire. Saying that the PRC and USSR also have committed atrocities only serves to minimize US atrocities here.
You're right, this post is about America, and I don't want to diminish what they've done. But if one wants to criticise, one opens thselves up to criticism. Glass houses and all that. In that vein, the OP seems to have a very limited set of topics, and if you remove criticisms of capitalism and America, he doesn't seem to have much to say at all. It makes you wonder if they have an agenda, or if they're even an actual person at all.
Maybe for you it seems that way. I think it's perfectly acceptable to believe the US and Capitalism are horrible, without considering these views to be "an agenda."
Do you have an "anti-China and anti-USSR agenda" by criticizing them when not involved? That's a silly way of framing political views.
Certainly, at least as silly as having political views that only focus outward and not inward.
Who has those views?