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What I have learned:

  • Russia has already won the Ukraine war
  • Which NATO started
  • A lot of people in the West think that Ukraine should surrender
  • Also Ukraine was the world's main provider of CSAM
  • Also Ukraine is exploited by the West but if they can unite with Russia then their economy and everything else will finally be alright

It's literally like a bizarro world and everyone is over there agreeing with it. I'm genuinely confused by, who even are these people (what is the mixture of Russian bots / Russian-aligned ordinary people / confused Westerners / some other explanation.)

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's about the size of it.

World defederated from them months ago. Save yourself the psychic damage and block the instance if your instance hasn't defederated.

Or have fun and ask exactly what NATO's end game was after they "encircled" Russia and when exactly they planned to invade. Or how if Russia's goal was to prevent nato expansion, why are there 2 more NATO countries than before the war started. Or ask them to explain how the holodomor was actually not that bad and the millions of people that died deserved it.

Tankies are a mess.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's like a sore tooth, I can't keep from poking at it.

I also learned just now that the collapse of the USSR and and its former constituent countries in the 1990s is an example of how great communism is, because when the communism went away, everything got worse. It's flawless logic; I can see no counter argument.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh the worst part you may have noticed is they'll use US atrocities to excuse other atrocities. Like they did it so why don't you care about that instead of tens of millions dead under stalin/Mao etc.? While failing to realize the actual correct position is all of that was bad. Best of luck in your adventures.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 16 points 5 months ago

Or "you think CHINA's justice system is bad, have you heard about the police in AMERICA?"

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, the holodomor lol.

I had a hex person once tell me that actually the holodomor happened because of Nazi agents sabotaging agricultural production in Ukraine.

You know, in 1932 and 33. When the Nazis were putting all their resources into street fighting, barely eeking out a substantial amount of electoral power, Hitler becoming chancellor due to a compromise... you know largely before they had large numbers of party members or massive control of the state... yep they just secretly managed to sabotage the agricultural system of another state.

This person's source was literally 'I heard that...'.

I asked them for an actual source and they retreated into "Wow, way to ruin my good faith conversation attempt."

Its like they'd never actually been responsible for anything in their life, and just assumed that gossip and hear-say are totally on par with like... an actual idea with any kind of evidence.