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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By your logic the nazis shouldn't have been tried at the Hauge...

Is that what youre intentionally saying? Or did you not think it through?

Like even this bit:

And the United States has a law that says it will militarily invade The Hague if any US service member is arrested and held by the court. It came about along with all the other legislative bullshit in the years after 9/11/01. The US had previously been a founding member of the ICC, but withdrew for reasons of sovereignty.

If no US service member could be tried at the Hauge because the US didn't sign the Rome agreement...

Why pass a law saying we're not subject to it?

And when did Bibi join the US military anyways?

I missed that one...

[–] nahuse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

First: it’s not my logic. It’s how this part of international law works. The International Criminal Court wasn’t created until 1998, and the statute that governs it only officially came into power in 2002. Not all countries have signed, and some (including the US) have withdrawn from it. This means that technically the ICC doesn’t have any jurisdiction over things that happen within its territory.

The US codified it into a domestic law because it doesn’t believe its should be beholden to any law higher than its domestic ones, and the United States often does shady things in countries where the ICC does have jurisdiction, making it a risk that US citizens (and leaders) can be arrested for crimes that occur there. So the US Congress wrote domestic policy stating that it reserved the right to invade if its citizens were held for trial.

And Bibi didn’t join the US military. But the US has shown it’s willing to support his administration through an awful lot of shit, and the US doesn’t have any ambiguity about how it regards the ICC.

Finally, are you referring to the Nuremberg trials? Nazis weren’t tried in The Hague court we are discussing, and I’m not sure any nazi trials happened there at all.

Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. This is literally just how the International Criminal Court works.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

The US codified it into a domestic law because it doesn’t believe its should be beholden to any law higher than its domestic ones

Well that's not true. Our Constitution clearly places treaties above domestic law.