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Where have i said that I support doubling down? People thinkthat their vote doesn't matter as is. And asking someone who is already apathetic to voting to vote for someone who supports genocide isn't going to make them want to vote any more. It's a rigged game so they won't play. You should be mad at Biden for not trying to engage with those voters and instead locking them up and using police violence against them.
There are two choices in this coming election, effectively. Trump or Biden.
If one loses, the other wins.
You want to guess what contributing to Biden's loss will cause?
Go ahead. Take a few swings.
Someone who is already apathetic to voting is already not a very good target for voting outreach. You're not really making "Have the least reliable voting bloc since we started tracking such things be the lynchpin of the strategy to defeat fascism" sound any more reasonable than it was previously.
If they think it's a rigged game, what benefit will appealing to their desired policies have?
Oh God, not this line again. It doesn't matter that Biden at no point has advocated the use of police violence against peaceful protesters, he's definitely the one behind local police continuing the policy of being absolute shitheads, as they have for the past [checks notes] century and a half of US policing.
Thanks, Biden.
My payment is me and people I care about not being rounded up, tortured, expelled, or executed at some point during a second Trump administration. It's very valuable to me.
I don't give a fuck that the DNC is filled with listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads, because 'punishing' them for that by putting a metaphorical gun to my head and blowing my brains out just doesn't seem like a good calculus, especially since fascist regimes always have a place for listless, lazy, complacent, corrupt shitheads anyway, so it wouldn't be much of a punishment for the worst amongst them.
Yes, there are two choices. So i support people who are trying to make the less terrible one better. Meanwhile you want people to just shit up and support genocide.
Oh, is that what I want? I guess calling the Israeli genocide a genocide and advocating for the total removal of US aid from Israel is support of genocide.
Or is it because I don't regard Trump as winning as a reasonable alternative to Biden that makes me a genocide supporter?
No one is saying trump winning is preferable. They are saying it is inevitable if Biden continues down this path.
I can find you people saying exactly that while claiming to be left-wing.
Their proposal for course-correction is "If Biden takes up a position that is currently unpopular with the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, his numbers will improve"
That's not very compelling.
It is this fucking simple.
You have never trumpers, that’s you, your vote is locked and Biden could dick down a toddler on live tv and you wouldn’t care. We can safely disregard these people, they are the Biden equivalent of magats.
So you can either try to get the people who support genocide on your side, or the people trying to stop it.
Either way, we get what we deserve because of the votes.
And apparently, your argument is that you should and must support never having a say in your government again because Biden is evil. Not that it will prevent an evil man from getting into the presidency; no, but you HAVE to punish Biden, no matter what rights you lose everyone else in the process!
I don’t have to punish anyone.
You aren’t asking me to punish someone, you are asking me to support someone:
I'm asking you to support not being under a fascist regime. I'm asking you to support being able to fight for the next four years without having to take up arms. I didn't realize "Please do this so we DON'T have to deal with the prospect of waging war in our own country if we want any sort of change away from a fascist regime" was going to be such a hard-fucking-sell to someone who opposes war.
You are asking me to support someone I disagree with on a fundamental level.
I won’t support either person who wants that. You guys can fight over which genocidal maniac runs the country.
I will keep working on supporting people from the bottom up who disagree with sending bombs to kill toddlers.
Yeah, welcome to not being part of the majority in a democratic polity. It sucks.
Okay, by not taking a side, you take the side of the victor. If the victor is the genocidal maniac who, instead of expressing hesitance about Israel's genocide, has expressed an eagerness for Israel's genocide to intensify, and to start NUMEROUS genocides here at home, against both racial minorities and GSM, you can rejoice in knowing that you contributed in your own way to his expanded genocide, both in Israel/Palestine and in the US. Not to mention all the other countries he'll 'inspire'. I'm sure Ukraine will be thrilled to have even more of their children kidnapped and tortured, or a suffering a few hundred more Buchas.
Great, and the guy who's going to make it harder for you to support people 'from the bottom up' instead of the 'guy who doesn't care what happens as long as things keep chugging'? It's cool if he's in place? You don't mind a stint in the pen for being a filthy lib, or getting sent to the camps with the rest of us?