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What about stolen guns?
If you carve out an exception then everyone will just say they were stolen.
And if you don't carve out an exception, you are now punishing people for a crime they didn't commit.
If the gun was properly stored and secured it would not have been stolen. You must not be paying attention to justice in America. Many people are punished present day for crimes they didn’t commit.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/burglary-victim-speaks-out-thieves-steal-50-guns-hauling-3000-pound-safe/
Took 15 seconds to find an example. This was just one, I have read about similar situations in my state alone over the last couple years.
I'm not arguing that people shouldn't store weapons safely. But your premise is false. That's why I'm against this 'punishing the owner' line of thought when they are the victim of the crime.
The terrible state of the U.S. justice system is a whole other argument.
The whole license, insurance and registration is meeting in the middle. They should be outright banned. Anything beyond that is illogical and irrelevant. The narrative has been moved so far to the right, it’s not even discussed.
Edit: added a point
And since that's not going to happen, nothing else happens to make things better than the status quo. You're letting lack of a realistic, unilateral, perfect solution get in the way of making things better incrementally. Which is itself illogical.
If the Supreme Court wasn’t captured by partisan hacks controlled by Billionaires these regulations would already be in place, which makes your point moot
Well you keep using scenarios that aren't congruent with reality. Lamenting "If only it was like this..." doesn't accomplish anything. Yeah, things are not the way they should be. Let's work to move it in that direction instead of waiting for some pie-in-the-sky magic pixie dust that will make all the guns instantly disappear.
If we as a country were really going to ban guns, it would have been done when the Democrats completely controlled the government under Obama. The truth is Democrats have no taste for that either, so they weakly push bills that ban 'dangerous looking' guns to pander to their base without effecting real change. Realists like myself would like to see incremental progress instead of pushing for and waiting for the thing to happen that's never going to happen.
It’s easy to see the pie in the sky pixie dust is simply remove money from politics. When society is crumbling we will see the end of modern society
According to you we should do nothing and ‘hope’ for change. Incremental too. Ok yea that’ll happen.
Well if you think that then you haven't actually comprehended anything I've written, so I guess this conversation has become pointless.