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did anyone else from the USA grow up being forced to say the pledge to the flag in school?
(media.kbin.social)
im 20 for reference. ever since i was a kid, up until hs, we were forced every morning to stand, look at the flag and hold our hearts and say:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"
i didnt stand a single time because i disagreed with being forced, and i was berated by the teacher in front of everyone, and he threatened to kick me out of class if i ever did it again. i was about 11-12 then, it was 2015.
Yep. It was in the 90s, and after 7th grade we mostly didn't do it anymore (some court ruled it wasn't legal to force us) but we had to sit quietly during the point when we were supposed to be doing in.
EDIT: You are in your 20s, and your teacher yelled at you? He was breaking the law. I bet you remember who it was too. If you see him on social media, I suggest you send him (West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)) and demand an apology.
https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep319624/
And tell him a veteran told you this.
thanks for your reply. this all happened in about 2015.
yes, i remember him clearly. he was also incredibly inappropriate with his female students. I remember an incident where i was walking out of his classroom and he was showing another female student "a joke" where he used siri or something to look up "penis" and show her the results. mine you we were all 11 and 12. everyone called him a pedo. he was coach of the girls soccer team. i wish i could go back and stand up for her and myself, but i was a scared kid.
edit: just looked him up on FB. his face made me feel such dread. he has a kid now, a young girl
@euphoria Ugh. Watch him show up in the news at some point in the future.
Yeah, I vaguely remember it making the news in the 90s, and I stopped standing at that point. I had one teacher tell me once it was "required" that I stand. I just said "no thanks" and continued sitting, and he dropped it.
It wasn't a big protest in my case though. I normally had a CD player stuffed in my belt, and standing made it more likely to fall out and get noticed. I generally avoided standing as much as possible in those days.
It looks like there were a bunch of challenges in the 90s that got struck down. https://www.findlaw.com/education/student-rights/the-pledge-of-allegiance-and-legal-challenges-in-education.html An actual lawyer would know more detail, I bet.
Based on the timing, the 1998 ACLU lawsuit was probably what I was remembering. Would have put me right around my peak pain-in-the-ass years.
Me too. Though I remember it a few years earlier than 1998, when I reached 7th grade. Of course I don't think any of my 7-12 teachers cared like the elementary school teachers would have.