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Historic student movement for Gaza reaches Canada ⋆ The Breach (breachmedia.ca)
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The link is a 4:03-minute embedded YT video and transcript. It's informative, inspiring, and a home-run piece by The Breach imo.

Piped link for video: https://piped.video/watch?v=Of8hV24Q8iA

Sarah Shamy, Palestinian Youth Movement Montreal: We’re really seeing the student movement be on the front lines of this movement, which is for Palestinian Liberation. Columbia University really sparked the initial fire that really kind of erupted and became a movement on its own, where students have been answering the call to set up encampments.

Miriam Liben, IJV Concordia: There was a video that we saw this morning of children in refugee camps in Gaza, holding up signs being like “thank you for your solidarity,” with McGill and Columbia and different names of different universities. I think that felt incredibly powerful.

Text: The media have also repeated McGill’s administration’s suggestion that antisemitism is rife in the encampment.

Mara Thompson, [Independent Jewish Voices] (IJV) McGill: I feel that McGill has played a really dangerous game and an irresponsible game by conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism. I feel that their consultation with the Jewish student body is totally incomplete. They disregard student referendums, and student testimonies and groups like IJV who are publicly anti-Zionist and still very rooted in their Jewish values. I think that conflating the two risks diluting what we understand antisemitism to be, which I think is really dangerous in the long term, since antisemitism is a threat.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From an international perspective, and there's a treaty defining them, the borders of Israel include both of those places.

Israel was created by the same group that broke up Germany because it was part of the ottoman empire before that, and the ottoman empire was destroyed as part of the losers of the war.

Again, I'm not saying the Palestinian people don't have a right to complain or even fight back, but if they lose, they lose. It's not their land, they lost the war 75 years ago. Israel has been letting them stay, but if they want to be assholes about it they're going to get evicted.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/10/commission-inquiry-finds-israeli-occupation-unlawful-under-international-law

False, the west bank is illegally occupied by Israel under international law it's not israel land.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

The UN doesn't officially recognize Palestine as a country, so they can fuck right off with their assessment. It's unlikely Palestine will ever be allowed to be a country.

Based on official treaties from 1949, the west bank should be Jordanian, and the Gaza strip should be Egyptian

Israel conquered both of those places again in 1967, and neither Egypt nor Jordan want them back at this point.

So politically speaking, they are conquered parts of Israel at the moment.

Again, all of this comes down to "when are we no longer allowing borders to change"?

Palestine is not a country, they aren't likely to become a country, they're free to try to become a country, but they're also likely to fail and the consequences of attacking Israel to try to become a country are clearly visible in Israel's retaliation.

Israel should not be expected to give up land to local populations just because they want it. If all of Israel has a vote to give it to them, sure, go ahead and form a new country but that's not how this situation is going to happen.

I feel the same way about Quebec independence. If they vote to leave by themselves, the answer is no. If the whole countries votes to allow them to leave, then no problem. If they were to attack Ontario in retaliation for failing to be allowed to leave, we shouldn't just give in, we should do the exact same thing Israel is doing.

I bet most Americans feel the same way about Native groups, what if one wanted to break off from the US and take a chunk of land to have 100% control. Not just most control, but 100% separate recognized country with 0% US jurisdiction. They wouldn't like it. If those tribes then attacked nearby US cities with rockets, the same population would immediately demand the military go in to deal with it. Despite those tribes having far more historical title to the land than Palestinians do (something like 95% of Palestinians were born outside of Palestinian territories or are only 1st generation Palestinians)