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Seinfeld says that far left woke mobs have killed comedy. He also dated a 17-year-old.
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this post was submitted on 01 May 2024
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I listened to much of the interview on the radio. He touched on a lot of good points and then came to the absolutely wrong conclusion. He talked about how many writing rooms are "writing by committee" where jokes will go through a review by many different groups. If this is truly the case (I don't know) that is not an issue if the "far left mob" but rather the enshitification of comedy due to corporations and Wall Street bankrolling these productions wanting to ensure return on investment. This kills creativity by reducing risks. Topical comedy is a risky medium by default.
Also, shout out to Rob McElhenney for his sarcastic one word response. In Jerry's imagined world, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia can't exist.
Had to look up said response and I agree. For anyone else looking, here's a screenshot of what I found:
But see, he wants it to be funny because he thinks making fun of homeless people is funny. It would instead be funny because of how fucking stupid Kramer is. That's really the big turn in recent comedy: laughing at bad characters doing shitty things (and usually getting their comeuppance) instead of laughing at shitty things happening to people.
people seeing issues brought about by capitalism and concluding that the people who are fighting against capitalism are the REAL problem, a tale as old as time.
You really think the average Barbie-watching lefty can be equated to the communism bordering Lemmy dweller? Please, just because they're not on the right doesn't make them the same.
But the thing is... writing by committee has always been the norm- including for Seinfeld, which makes me wonder how much he was actually involved in the writing process.
The very idea of a writer's room is writing by committee.
I got the sense he meant more that it would go up through business-side committees to double check the work and make sure it wasn't inappropriate. If that was the case that again would be an indication of corporations being risk adverse.
That's also always been the case.
It's stupid for Jerry Seinfeld, of all people, to claim that executives don't constantly meddle in shows to make sure audiences don't get pissed off.
The first season of its always Sunny would definitely be canceled (if debuted) today
The first season doesn't even come close to the worst things the gang did.
It wouldnt even make it to season 2 though
No, no it wouldn't.
Yeah, things were so much less politically correct in- *checks notes* 2005.
What the fuck are you talking about?
People could still laugh at themselves, and people still recognized absurdity for what it was.
People still laugh at themselves now. People still recognize absurdity for what it is. Go watch a show like Abbott Elementary.
I have seen that show, and it was good, but alao focused to meet network standards that evolve glacially.
Its not standup.
Sorry... you think shows in 2005 weren't focused? Really? I don't know what golden age of comedy you think 2005 was, but it wasn't one.
Chapelle Show, Its Always Sunny, several others from this very thread. Yes golden comedy was happening in 2005.
Even the Bill Burr Philly Rant is from 2006.
Good shit.
Edit: and Tough Crowd had just ended. Sadly.
This really sounds like you just don't like comedy of today. Because it's moved on without you. Sorry, grandpa.
That's quite the hollow argument. To first deny that comedy changed and then state that it's just moved on to something they don't like and then insult them for it. I think you're really undermining your own argument by conflating the evolution of comedy with the tendency to clean it up because we are no longer supposed to offend anyone while handing out participation trophies.
You're free to deny this is happening, but maybe you're just too young to notice it, kiddo.
When did I deny comedy had changed? It hasn't changed. I'm saying that 2005 wasn't some golden era where things were so much less politically correct. It's because I'm not young that I know this. I grew up with Family Ties and Alf. I remember Don't tell me TV was more edgy in the past. I'm old, I'm just not naïve.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you are the only one mentioning the year 2005. You agree things have changed, but in each of your comments you are suggesting that nothing is going on. Which is it?
Because it's the year the show you're claiming couldn't be made today premiered. Comedy changes, but that doesn't mean an old comedy show couldn't be made today because of some sort of political correctness directive, it means modern audiences find new things funny because the comedy landscape changes.
That wasn't my comment, and it obviously was just an arbitrary example.
If the issue were simply a different taste in comedy, people wouldn't be up in arms about it, it would just be ignored, like many things that aren't popular. If you want to deny that there is a tendency to comb through everything just to find something offensive to rage against, then the discussion is pointless.
People have been 'up in arms' about comedy not being like how it was when they were young my entire life.
You know what I used to hear when I was a kid? Complaints that George Carlin wasn't funny like Don Rickles.
If you can't even admit that woke culture tries to clean everything up and has exacerbated the issues then you're simply in denial. It's all around you, it's on TV, it's in comedy clubs, it's in movies, it's in universities. If you can't even acknowledge that, it suggests to me that you can't really argue with it, but rather need to act that it doesn't exist.
I don't admit that "woke culture" is a thing.
I know conservatives want it to be a thing, but it isn't.
Life is so simple when all that fits in your head is left versus right.
You mean like Jerry Seinfeld? The guy who says that "far left" "woke" "mobs" have "killed comedy?"
I see platforms cancelling or existing episodes and seasons all the time, there's is still up
That’s because it already has a huge following. I’m saying if that season one debuted now it would. Just like tropic Thunder hasn’t been pulled but I doubt they’d let it today
edit: so all the downvotes imply you all say that a white guy in black face can air today? yea no way, y’all trippin hive mind shit. I’d love to see someone try lol
Good comedy is made for the time period its in!?! WHO WOULDA THOUGHT?
Thats the point, what you can air has absolutely changed. yet downvotes from stating that fact
And what could air when Tropic Thunder came out had absolutely changed from the 10 years before that, the times change, who knew
That's always the last bastion of people arguing against it happening. Throwing up their hands and saying "things change".
Wow, what an insightful addition to the discussion you absolute dingus. Nobody is denying that things change, what is argued is that the overly woke mindset has a negative effect on said evolution. Maybe next year when your favourite orange man gets back in the office, we'll just throw up our hands and say that things change without asking the question why we got there, sound like a plan to you? Or do you think that sometimes it might be a good idea to reflect on why we end up where we do?
A dislike for conservatism does not mean that every change is progress, you know.
lmao
I really don't know, you may be right. I feel like that whole season was them tackling tough to swallow social issues by making themselves idiots at best or bigots at worst, but the satire and irony was clear in their intent to expose as as an outdated way to think.
Too ~~nuanced-~~ compicated and fancy for today's viewing public.
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