There's never be a full communist or capitalist society. What wears arguing over how far towards either we should go. Also, FYI for those that don't know The USSR and China are not communist. Both are/were dictatorships that call themselves communist.

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Look up dialectical Materialism. China is 'communist' as they are progressing along the roadmap Dialectical Materialism provides towards achieving communism.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network -1 points 6 months ago

Are they making actual progress on that path, though? They have tons of billionaires, lots of people go bankrupt there from medical bills or are homeless (unlike some other communist countries). The state owns a lot of businesses, but then so does Norway. All their initiatives seem to be related to hurting gay people or making it harder for kids to play video games. They've arrested some rich people and cracked down on some corruption, but that also sounds like it could come from a capitalist country. I can't really find any sort of long-term plan.

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The problem is that you won't ever get a full communist country, at least not for a very, VERY long time, because you always get those few fartweasels who end up hijacking it and turning it into a dictatorship. You need to eliminate that problem first, and with how the world is sliding into fascism, it doesn't look like we're any where near close to solving that dilemma

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Read 'State and Revolution' by Lenin. It's quite short and not that bad a read. Addresses exactly what you are talking about.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

I thought I was still on Lemmy.world and was wondering why this thread was going so hard on theory. Carry on.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Upvote for fartweasel.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 1 points 6 months ago

Even when they don't turn it into a dictatorship, they may just turn it back into capitalism, like Russia did. And when that happens, they just sell all the old estates to the highest bidder, making them richer and turning them into oligarchs. And that becomes functionally equivalent to a dictatorship of the bourgeois.