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    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Arch has no reason to exist as almost all of it's benefits are replicated with nix without having your system fail to boot because you dared to update it.

    [–] Darorad@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    The gamble is the fun part tho

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago

    I decided to dump arch when I was working in a foreign country for a month, had bad internet, and had to weigh whether -Syu or -S would be more likely to break my system. Shit's way too stressful.

    [–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    What the fuck do you do to have this happen?

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Run pacman -Syu, reboot, and it fails to boot. Had it happen many times with arch and derivatives on multiple devices. It's far more likely to happen if you don't update for like a month.

    [–] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Not updating in a month?! What kind of arch user is that?

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago

    A dumb one using Arch on a backup media device. At least that one dodged the bad grub release.

    I've had it also happen on the main device that was updated multiple times a week.

    [–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    First off, run Syyu, the old arch gods demand it

    Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)

    And thirdly, Arch is meant as a power user distro -- despite this abhorrent popularity it has gained, the fact of the matter remains that you need to know the system inside and out, if you make your arch system unable to boot..... Don't use arch

    This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.

    There are many maintenance-free distros you can use instead. Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    Also have a copy of pacman-static somewhere so that you can fix your shit in case of a partial upgrade (and trust me, it can go horribly wrong)

    Oh I know, I quickly learned to never update it without having live media nearby to arch-chroot with.

    if you make your arch system unable to boot..... Don't use arch

    The only thing I did to make it unbootable is to update it. Going by that logic nobody should use it.

    This is not my attempt at elitism. Arch was never meant to be a hassle free distro and it sure as shit is not one.

    I definitely agree, that's why I'm commenting against dumbasses suggesting it to beginners. Especially when they glorify AUR.

    Can I offer you a Debian in these trying times?

    No need, I already landed on MX + nix after 2+ years of arch. Nix unstable gives me all of the benefits of arch (except for the DE) and then plenty more on top. Different downsides, but far less stressful. I'm

    [–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

    You need to keep the update log and go through the whole thing and see if something needs reconfiguring. Sounds shitty? Yeah, that's why I stopped using Arch and Gentoo despite being a veteran

    Nowadays I just install Debian or some derivative and call it a damn day. Unless you need some exotic setup (and those are more suited to Gentoo or Slackware anyway)

    [–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

    Oh I had a far simpler method: update and it fails to boot? Rollback and try updating again in a week. It usually works then, but I had to wait a bit more a couple of times.

    The only exception was that bad GRUB release. I think that's the only update fail that absolutely required arch-chroot.

    [–] neoproterozoic@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago

    Also don't use nvidia hardware