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To start, age matters, actual examples matter. How many cases are there of a six year old under going treatment for gender disphoria? As I understand it, that is far too young and the answer would be zero.
Why do so many conservative examples skew towards children that are beneath the threshold of the actual age of people undergoing treatment? Why not use the actual ages of people undergoing treatment? So there is my first question to you, what is the average age of people undergoing treatment for gender disphoria?
You use words like indoctrinate, would indoctrination include listening to the child themselves? Listening to experts in child development? I'm curious what actions are indoctrination and which are not, this should be clearly defined and easy to reply with, it certainly would clarify matters. So, what is indoctrination? And where is it occurring?
If the problem isn't "should we treat children with gender disphoria", as you stated, then what is the problem?
And once again, why do so many examples use unrealistic age ranges? It seems to me that you are being manipulated and rage-baited. And it appears to be working quite well.
If I'm wrong, provide me the actual treatment path that a gender disphoric six year old would follow. If it is occuring , then you should have no issue finding medical guidance for this. Go ahead, I'm curious.
Quoted from your AP link, "These medical treatments don’t begin until the onset of puberty, typically around age 10 or 11."
But sure, I'll play your game and focus on the youngest, though that starts on disingenuous footing. Is the six year old questioning and talking, or are they loaded up and immediately converted to the opposite gender. We both know that total gender conversions are not occurring at that age. Talking? Counseling? Sure, I could see that. Now focusing back outside of disingenuous territory..
Wouldn't the root-cause question be that if harm is caused and if it is reversible? All the information I have seen shows that the methods followed simply delay development in a way that can be harmlessly resumed. It seems to be an exercise in "buying time" before physiology locks one into a gender.
Further, I wouldn't expect the treatment for a six year old to match the treatment for a seventeen year old. Counseling, discussing, psychiatric evaluation, etc, there are many phases of evaluating before comitting to action.
All I'm trying to do is accurately represent what is occurring.
Gender is complex, every human being that is a male has already undergone a gender transition (we all start as female). And what is interesting, once your physiology assigns you a gender, your body forever attempts to undo that gender assignment, and there is a chemical flag that prevents that undoing. That chemical flag works differently in each individual. In short, our biology doesn't always lock into a binary selection. As a result of the above mechanisms, some people exist between genders.
But for what reason do people feel the need to demonize the natural outcomes of biology. People aren't going to stop being born as intersex (previously referred to as hermaphrodites). Intersex people, born with a penis and simultaneously a vagina, exist of all ages, and to forbid them from pursuing treatment creates a prison of their own body. No one outside of the mentally ill wants to abduct and forcibly transition children, that is not what is occurring. If listening to transgender people is a crime, you're creating quite a large group of criminals.
Disclaimer, I'm not an expert and won't attempt to pass myself off as one, so the above information should be verified independently. But as a pursuer of information, all of the information I have found quickly dispells the myths being propagated from conservative outlets and I'm not even touching some of the more outrageous claims.
If your comments get removed when you voice your opinion, maybe you aren't representing the views of modern science but instead are repeating refutable claims that few experts stand behind.
You are falling for conservative lies. You are regurgitating them to the detriment of those around you. Stop it. You are being either exceedingly ignorant or willfully harmful.
https://www.factcheck.org/2023/05/scicheck-young-children-do-not-receive-medical-gender-transition-treatment/
At most, prepubescent children transition socially and may receive puberty blockers to ease or prevent serious psychological distress associated with dysphoria, after thorough questioning and therapy. No doctor would ever give a 6 year old AFAB child testosterone, nor estrogen to AMAB. Nor are children being given puberty blockers willy-nilly. It is so fucksake difficult for even adults to be approved for gender diverse care, and you're out here trying to claim that children are being indoctrinated to think they're trans and given hormones for, what, fucking fun? Like, holy shit, that's absolutely unhinged and I cannot possibly believe you are acting in good faith in spreading this complete pile of shit.