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Yeah. Sure. That's absolutely true. Humidity will indeed make 81 degrees feel like 90 degrees. But there's high humidity in Dallas and Houston and all of Florida, too. So, when it's humid and actually 108...well, then it's not even worth it to calculate how hot it feels. It's just dangerously hot.
Sure, Nevada and Arizona don't have the humidity. But they'll get to 115-120. Humidity REALLY doesn't matter, then.
But I guarantee, there will STILL be New Yorkers coming into this thread, pitching weird ideas about how the buildings still make it seem even hotter than that, somehow.
I mean the heat island effect is real.
But as someone who lives in NYC but grew up in the south: It's not hotter in NYC.
We just are actually outside, unlike all southerners who don't do manual labor. Rain or shine, freeze or burn, NYC is in the 100 year old unventilated subway tunnels with trains venting the heat from their ACs in the summer.
It's not actually hotter.
But if you come to visit in August you'll sweat more in NYC than August in Dallas.
NYC does empty out a bit in August, but yeah I've been in Houston in the summer. People pre cool their cars in their garages and move from one ac island to the next.
Yeah I get to commute in that heat. It's not fun.
But I'll keep it over car dependant sprawl any day. I moved from the south to NYC for a reason: and it wasn't just better job opportunities.
You just HAD to get that last little thing in there, I guess just to prove that you're a real adopted New Yorker.
I mean, you literally just explained how it's NOT really hotter in NYC, but you couldn't resist pushing back on it. Yes, if you go outside in the summer, you'll be warmer than if you stay inside. I will indeed have to admit that. But if you do the same amount of walking around in Dallas as you do in NYC, in August? You might actually get heatstroke.
Wait. I guess that DOES mean you'll sweat less, in Dallas. Like, as long as you keep walking around long enough. One of the symptoms of advanced heatstroke is a sudden inability to sweat. You die dry as a bone.
EDIT: I'm not saying you can't get heatstroke in NYC. You can. But it takes a lot longer for it to happen, if you're walking around in 80-90 degree weather, versus 100-110.
I didn't say hotter, I said you'll sweat more.
Grew up in the south: I know how little you fuckers go outside. I was one of those fuckers.
AC to AC with the exception of going to the swimming pool/beach/river/lake.
If you're a manual laborer you'll sweat more in the south, no doubt. Otherwise?
NYC is the capitol of white collar sweat.
Fair enough. I mean, if you have to gerrymander the exact, specific terms that you're talking about, then yes. I have to agree. Stockbrokers spend more time outside of climate-controlled spaces in NYC, compared to other major cities.
When it comes right down to it, it was simply idiotic to build cities in the hot-as-fuck zones of the planet, to begin with. Even suburbs have heat-bubbles clinging to them, so that we really can't be outside all that much, without actually risking heatstroke, like I was saying.
As a civilization, it would have made a whole hell of a lot more sense to keep building even more densely in the Northeast. There's shitloads of land in upstate New York and New Jersey that would have supported more cities, let alone the whole region.
I guess it comes down to the pure, unbridled evil of colonial-era white people. Moving out West and down South, into areas that are literally deadly for three months out of the year was just fine, as long as it was the black and/or brown people being worked to death in the heat.
And, ya know, poor folks in general. Same as ever.
I'm a Canadian who hates all temperatures above 60, and I'll tell you that humidity always matters. I had the luxury of traveling to Phoenix in July, and that was still more tolerable than anywhere that was 20 degrees cooler but 100% more humid. Heat isn't so bad when sweating still works.
I once had a July layover in Moon Moon airport, as I like to call the ridiculously named travesty that is "Sky Harbor Airport" and went up to the roof to smoke. I'm telling you, going out towards the edge where it was more windy was like standing in a fucking blast furnace!
Add that, after getting maybe an hour of sleep since it was hotter than Beelzebub's butthole, I missed three flights because their self check in machines couldn't deal with me having a Scandinavian character in my name and they had one customer service worker for every 40,000 travelers and it wasn't a great first visit to my then GF.
Conclusion: settling Arizona was a mistake.
Okay, then maybe the hot and dry areas in the West aren't as bad, as long as you have enough water. But in Texas and Florida, it regularly goes up above 105 and it's 100 percent humidity, for long stretches of time. Basically 100 percent of the time, in Florida (and a lot of the Gulf Coast, in general).
No they haven't and no they won't
Ehhh, we've already had a couple "but ackshually" type situations.
Lmao I've read all these threads and you're the one moving the goalposts and doing the most "Well akshaully" stuff in here.
Are you really reading this shit?
They're ABSOLUTELY moving the goalposts. It's all these New York motherfuckers talking about "well, you guise don't actually spend any time outside of the air conditioning."
The non-goalpost-moving response would just be to say "yep. NYC is not hotter than the South." And just leave it at that. But nobody can fucking do that, because New Yorkers have a fucking complex about their city NEEDING to be the biggest, the bestest, the mostest at EVERYTHING.
I didn't see those. I saw people saying "yeah humidity matters but you're right"
Those guys are fine. It's the "b-b-b-but y'all southerners don't actually ever go outside, you're in the air conditioning all the time, so NYC is still REALLY hotter, because people are out in the streets sweating more" responses that are annoying me.
Just say "yes, NYC isn't the hottest place" and leave it at that. That would be the non-cringe thing to do. But they CAN'T leave it at that. They're not physically able to.
maybe you could point to such an example.
it sounds like you just have cultural issues with city dwellers.
I thought you said you went all through the thread. I guess you didn't. You just lied and said you did. But okay, that's fine. Here we go:
So, again, you're saying you read all through this thread? And you somehow missed those? Really? Okay.
The expectation was that unless I'd read it again upon return, then I'm a liar?
uh ok.
Also, they make good points. I don't really get that they are saying it's hotter in NYC than other places, which is the false claim this post makes to begin with.
The meme is a reference to New Yorkers who really do make a bunch of weird claims that NYC summers are somehow magically hotter than anywhere else, because NYC has to be #1 in EVERY CATEGORY, or else they can't go on living.
I don't have a replay of every conversation I've had (or overheard) about that topic, over the last forty fucking years. But it's been plenty of times.
Also, I don't have a problem with city-dwellers. I have a problem with NEW YORKERS, in this context. Let's be clear on that. No other city feels the need to do crap like this. All cities have their specific things they brag about, but they don't all insist on having the best of ALL THE THINGS.
Maybe London and San Francisco fight about who's the foggiest. Maybe Detroit and Chicago fight about who's got the most murderers. Maybe L.A. and Miami and Atlanta fight about who's got the best hawt summer nightlife. But they don't ALL SAY THEIR CITY IS THE BIGGEST, GREATEST, BESTEST, MOSTEST AT EVERYTHING.
You know what the sick joke really is? New York City hasn't really been hot shit since the 1930s. It's been coasting downhill, ever since. Almost all their great buildings and bridges, almost all their infrastructure, almost all their cultural institutions come from the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. But the superiority complex just keeps on rolling. Watching from the outside, it's more pitiful than anything, really.
Okay. I don't really get that. Out of the things I hear new yorkers brag about, they are basically correct. I am not a new yorker, but their pizza, entertainment, and culture is basically what the western world runs on. I know someone who lives in LA who cannot miss a single opportunity to shit on any other city/town. So yeah, I don't really see the issue here, or if there is one, being unique to NYC.
Oh really? Everyone else likes their pizza with toppings. New Yorkers like it with just plain cheese, dripping in disgusting excess grease, and if you don't fold it in half while you eat it, they will GET ALL UP INTO YOUR FACE. Nobody else folds pizza. It's not normal behavior.
You mean all those movies and shows that get made in HOLLYWOOD? Last time I checked, that sign isn't overlooking fucking Brooklyn. If it was, it would probably say "Brooklyn" instead of "Hollywood."
Like what? What culture are you talking about? Sure, some of the great artists and musicians and writers have been from New York. But a lot of them have been from the Midwest and California and the South and the West, too. And even (gasp) from places outside the USA!!!!!!! Imagine that!
New York's own native culture is basically based on looking down their noses at everyone else on the planet, as if we're lower creatures. What else do they have? Bodegas? They actually think those goddamn things are a legit cultural element. What even is supposed to be the appeal of those fucking places? All the selection and quality of a fucking Dollar General, with all the prices of DEFINITELY NOT A DOLLAR GENERAL.
Hey, maybe that's the legendary cultural output you're talking about. New Yorkers invented the cultural meme of ridiculously, unsustainably, civilization-threateningly inflated prices on basic consumer goods and necessities.
It would obviously be a waste of time to continue here. You have a weird chip on your shoulder about NYC that practically no one else has, outside of rural people who hate cities.
Which by the way is what I theorized at the beginning of this exchange. You've just provided a lot of evidence that you're mad at New York, not that NeW yOrkErS hAvE tO bE tHe BeSt At EvErYtHiNg