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Please explain my confused me like I'm 5 (0r 4 or 6).

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[โ€“] nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info 55 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (32 children)

When you consider the time as a number line, years are not points at integers (which would in some way warrant a year 0), but rather periods between them. Year 1 is the period between 0 and 1, and before that was -1 to 0, or year -1. There is no year 0, because there isn't anything between 0 and 0

[โ€“] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (9 children)

This explanation is unclear to me. Why do we choose the later of the two endpoints of the year for (0, 1) but the earlier of the two for (-1, 0)?

[โ€“] Reil@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The language is rooted in the same logic as people. Your first year was between the ages of 0 and 1. The first year before you were born is between -1 and 0. There is no 0th year because 0 is a point in time and not a range in time.

[โ€“] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your explanation works equally well for any integer though. You could say the same of 1.

I think you're saying that it's a fencepost issue. But even for personal ages this doesn't check out: for a year after you are born, your age is "0." A one-year-old baby is in the following year.

[โ€“] Reil@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I feel you've missed the point I was making and assumed I've made another. Age number and year number are different. You're in your first year when your age is not yet 1. You're in your second year when your age is between 1 and 2.

Years follow numbers as in "this year was the first/second/third year of ", not "this year was the year turned X years old"

[โ€“] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oh I see. Sure, historically it makes sense that years have been ordinal numbers. But in the modern era with all our math and computational knowledge, it is not convenient anymore. It means off-by-one errors are easy to commit when comparing BC and AD years.

This is why programming languages all index from 0 rather than 1 (knuth and lua be damned)

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