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Did the writers care about the ranks of their characters? (startrek.website)

submitted 1 year ago by Equals@startrek.website to c/daystrominstitute@startrek.website

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I’m not talking about stuff like O’Brien’s hollow rank pip, I’m talking about stuff like “Why make Chakotay a lt. commander rather than a full commander?”

It seems like there was at least some forethought put into who has what rank, but it’s not clear to me how much thought, nor how much meaning was supposed to be baked in to those decisions.

For example, Dr Crusher was a full commander from Day 1, matched only by Riker on the main cast. Was that supposed to signify the authority afforded to the CMO? Was it supposed to be blatant enough for the audience to “get” it?

One of the most prominent examples is Sisko starting his series as a commander. Again — was that supposed to signify that he was more junior, a younger officer?

Behind the scenes, I wonder if we can trace a waxing and waning military influence in the writers room over the years. I know Roddenberry served, and I think some of the early TNG writers did as well. But I feel like that became less common in later series? (But I don’t know for sure.)

I think it’s striking that rank is significantly downplayed on DSC, except for Burnham and potentially Saru.

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[–] UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I remember an interview with Garrett Wang who talked about a conversation with Rick Berman where he asked him whether Kim would ever be promoted to Lieutenant. Berman pretty much shot him down, saying that someone has to be an ensign.

And I think that's pretty much all the thought that went into it: have characters with a variety of ranks. Possibly to help the audience distinguish them better ("Join me in my ready room, [Rank]"). Although admittedly that didn't work in the second half of TNG when pretty much everyone (except Worf) was addressed as "Commander" because by season 3(?) everyone was at least a Lieutenant Commander.

With Sisko I think they wanted to distinguish him from the other two Captains Kirk and Picard, and since he commanded "only" a space station that was an in-universe excuse to make Sisko a commander.

[–] Commod0re@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago

with Sisko it’s specifically because, until they discover the wormhole, DS9 is considered a backwater post.

Typically, base commanders are at least captain rank. Sometimes bases are commanded by lower ranks, and there can be different reasons but in this case: it’s remote and considered a less important “backwater” post compared to other bases. His eventual promotion to Captain belatedly corrects for how important the station became, as a trade/transit hub and as a strategic asset, after the wormhole discovery

[–] greatnebula@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

I remember an interview with Garrett Wang who talked about a conversation with Rick Berman where he asked him whether Kim would ever be promoted to Lieutenant. Berman pretty much shot him down, saying that someone has to be an ensign.

I always thought it would've been a fun twist if Harry got a promotion once Tom got demoted in Thirty Days.

[–] Commod0re@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I think that, aside from adding a bit of navy-esque flair to the shows, it also helps distinguish who is “in charge”, and frames the way orders are issued and followed in a way that readily makes sense to the audience