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It's insane that anyone is doing the work of defending either. We deserve significantly better.
This is the thing I can't believe 100% of the left isn't screaming from the rooftops. Yes, we'll all vote for Biden, but we're going to have to live with the fact that we knowingly voted for a genocide supporter for the rest of our lives. Sure, we voted for the lesser genocide supporter, but that really shouldn't matter to our own sense of disgust at ourselves.
Innocent people are dying, and my vote for the guy supplying the weapons that kill them will be the most shameful moment of my life. At least, I hope it will - I don't have much faith at this point that I won't be forced to do something even worse in 4 years. And 4 years after that. And 4 years after that...
I get what you're saying, but this is the United States. We've been voting for genocide supporters for like our entire history...
That doesn't make it right, but it's not new by any means. The entire world deserves better than what we put forward time and time again :(
You're absolutely right, but better late than never for people to finally start realizing it. This isn't the time to be saying "It's nothing new, move on," it's the time to be saying "It's not even new! Get mad! Fight back!"
No, not better late than never. This is giving up. You're talking better "too late" then "it doesn't fucking matter any more." Because we already fucking lost.
I agree that we lost through conventional voting means, but our country was born from people forced to fight to achieve the government they wanted, and we're fully capable of doing it again. We're haven't been pushed into enough of a corner yet as a country for most people to get on board, but we're getting there.
People need to stop thinking that the left "has a party." The right has two parties and the left is trying desperately to stop one from going full authoritarian.
I will tell you what happens when the GOP is served a crushing blow. The people without any real beliefs, like the Trump humpers that voted Obama, come back and devour the DNC from the inside. The game is rigged and youre not a part of the game rigging club. Get use to eating shit and start voting like your friends and families lives depend on it.
100% of the Left in the US is probably only a couple % of the population. At that, I'd bet that not more than half of us even voted Democrat. Some I know voted Green in an effort to participate, but not participate in a two party election. Who fucking cares what we shout from the rooftops?
The fact of the matter is that voting green isn't a real resolution to the issue, it's just a way for someone to willingly not participate in the inevitable 2 party fight, while still saying they voted. The way the system works prevents any green party member from even being seen, much less meaningfully supported. And nobody voted in to one of the 2 major parties is going to change the system to make a 3rd party viable.
We no longer have a democracy - we're meant to have the true freedom to vote for who we want and have that actually be a legitimate method for someone to win, but instead we've served up 2 shitty candidates and told to pick one. It's no different than if a tyrannical monarch let us choose which of his 2 terrible children would become the next ruler after his death.
Now's exactly the time to be shouting from the rooftops, because now's exactly the time to start drumming up support for a resistance movement. We're not there yet as a country, I know, but we're heading there quick, and we should be getting people used to the idea that we have other options than voting for genocide supporter #1 or #2.
If you call yourself left but then don't vote Democrat (mainly in the current times, in the past it wasn't as dire to be fair) you're either lying about being left or are too stupid to understand how our terrible political system works.
We really need to figure out how to get ranked choice voting implemented
"the democrats don't have a cult" lie is falling apart.
"I don't mind if we're funding a genocide, but god forbid I face an inconvenience at home."
The fear of scraping at the bottom of the barrel to keep that american exceptionalism on top rather than revolting against the system is somehow the better option.
"It's not like a cycle of doom or anything as long as I don't get inconvenienced."
Here's a fun game: ask a Democrat for one thing that Biden could do that would cause them to not vote for him.
What's their deal-breaker? Where's the line?
It’s possible that YOU deserve better. But WE… dog we vote for this, we chose this.
There is no nefarious conspiracy, our democracy has problems but, by and large, we get what we chose.
Unfortunately, YOU, and I share this country with 350M people and the majority of them fucking love this shit.
Did "we"? If you had to describe someone who voted for Biden in the primaries what would be some of your guesses? You think a bunch of millenials got together and were like "Yeah! Old white man who's blocked progressive and leftist policies for his entire political career! That's our guy!"
Yeah. That’s the point. that group you described is a minority in the party.
TBH, older black women put Biden in front in 2020. The same women who saved us from a GOP controlled senate when they came out in force in GA.
If you want to understand the Democratic Party ask a 75 YO black lady who hasn’t missed an election or a church service in her life what her priorities are.
Source?
EDIT: I see someone took the time to downvote me but didn't provide a source. Is that because demographic information isn't provided by the DNC for primary results and this claim is completely made up?
I wasn't able to find good data of the age breakdown, but here's an editorial with a bunch of statistics that claims black women are what put Biden in office. So I'd rate OP's claim as "plausible" only because we know that old people vote more than young people.
This article is about the general election. We're talking about the primaries.
Sorry, missed that. Here's some demographic information from CNN broken down by state. After looking at a few of the states, Bernie's base was absolutely white people under age 45, as Biden won all the other demographic groups.
That doesn't conclude Biden won because of elderly black women.
Which is why I said "plausible" and not "confirmed"
It's not "plausible" unless you have the total number of each demographic.
Dig up some exit polls from the 2020 SC dem primary. My statement was based on my recollection from the time. But that is what I was referencing.
You're claiming black women elected Biden in the 2020 primaries because they helped him win in one state?
Half the joke on this.
"Well, now that Biden sucks, I'm not going to vote for him."
"NOOOOOO! YOU HAVE TO VOTE! DONDALD DRUMPF!!!"
"Okay, fine. I'll vote for him."
"Aha. So now you can't complain!"
Well I was more talking about the parties generously allowing us to participate in the primary process in a democratic way.
BUT, there isn’t going to be a party primary when you have a sitting president in this country. It’s suicide. Voters did choose Joe Biden in 2020. Voters in the GOP chose DT in ‘16 and ‘24.
There isn’t some massive constituency out there hoping for young leftists that got screwed by “the man”. They got washed out by voters who do not want that. I say this all the time on this website. You have to build that constituency from the bottom up. Ignore the presidency for a few cycles and fill your school board and state house with progressives. The party will follow the voters. That is the way it works.
Just the majority of California Democrats. But other than that, basically nobody.
The same people that sent Dianne Feinstein to the senate until she died in office?
Yeah…
Or Kamala, for that matter. But no leftist candidate in California had access to the kind of funds that either Kamala's or Feinstein's campaign enjoyed. Very difficult to establish yourself as a known quantity without decades of name recognition and tens of millions of dollars in your war chest.
The Sanders campaign was exceptional in large part thanks to their prodigious fundraising capacity. Also helped that he received over a decade of positive media coverage, plus ample coverage during the Bush Era as a reliable opposition to Bush policy. LA City Council candidates Nithya Raman and Ysabel Jurado had significant success thanks to their own success raising tons of campaign cash.
And this isn't unique to California. When leftist candidates can find a pool of enthusiastic fund raisers and receptive media coverage, they quickly rise to the top of the pile in crowded races.
Imagine defending a mafioso or a murderer
We do. Unfortunately all we can vote for this year is whether we'll have a 2028 election or if we'll be a theocratic monarchy by then.
Then maybe our system is fundamentally broken and we need to change it? If we are always one election away from the destruction of democracy and society there is something fucked up. I have heard the same rhetoric about every election in the last 30 years.
Yeah, I live in a state where the GOP will win regardless. So I will absolutely not waste my vote on either of these candidates.