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drives me up a wall living in a very very red district, like "no democrat is ever going to win any local election, let alone a real leftist" district, like "our school board members ran on who was the most anti-mask" red, like "I pass white supremacist signs on the way to buy weed" red

and being in the local leftist community and the guy who runs the anarchist book club and the lady who helps keep the warming shelters open and the people who marched on city hall when a local business was getting death threats for having a drag show are all members of a discord and we get on this discord and have frank discussions about how best to vote

the people who do the protests and the mutual aid and all the real work

going "okay, they're both fascists, but this one lacks ambition and seems happy to just glide in the position" or "they both suck, but this one can be reasoned with if you frame it patriotically enough" like we don't even have a democrat to vote for. we know what a vote is. we know what we hope accomplish with it. we know what it can do, and we know what it can't.

and going from those discussions to here where people think that your vote is some kind of fucking??? enabling maneuver??? as if someone isn't going to end up in that seat regardless of what you do???

we didn't build this system, we just live in it. we're just trying to survive. a vote isn't a statement of your values, it's not an endorsement, it's not a marriage contract, it's a strategic play you make to keep alive.

the biggest mistake I see leftists making is overestimating their own popularity. "well but everyone would be leftist if they just-" no, stop, 1) you can't possibly know that 2) everyone will not just

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[+] MolochAlter@lemmy.world -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I tolerate intolerance, I don't tolerate violence, it's very simple.

The same tolerance I afford you, openly advocating violence in an open forum, i afford nazis.

You should be happy that this tolerance is in place, since you benefit from it.

The paradox of intolerance you are so daftly hinting at explicitly draws the line at circumventing debate and resorting to violence and intimidation.

That is the intolerance that shall not be tolerated, but since you never actually read the text and are ""educated"" through memes you wouldn't know that, because of that idiotic fucking comic you knuckledraggers love reposting to bolster your off-brand "can't be a fascist if I'm antifa" bullshit.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yes I know you tolerate intolerance, that is entirely the issue.

You will sit back and do nothing to fight against those who wish to end tolerance. You’re the equivalent of a pacifist staring at the gates of Auschwitz, you disgust me.

I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

Nowhere does the paradox of intolerance call out not using force if necessary to preserve tolerance.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

I tolerate intolerance, I don’t tolerate violence, it’s very simple.

Imagine being privileged enough to not only not be personally impacted by the violence inflicted by the ruling class, but to not see it at all even when those impacted are screaming at the top of their lungs..

[–] MB420GFY@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

you think debate is still an option???? lol. they love suckers like you.