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And the legal punishment for that is losing your legs? Cops in the UK take down assailants with knives all the time without paralyzing them for life. If they then had a jury sentence them to have their legs cut off people would call it barbaric, but again, put them in front of an American cop and "they had it coming."
Old man or no, he was assaulting people with a fire extinguisher and got assaulted in return. Why didn't he "have it coming"?
Oh right, because property is the most important thing and the property was in danger. "Won't somebody please think of the property?!"
Poor guy. Also you're starting in a very bad place if you are comparing US cops to UK cops, US cops constantly shoot people armed with knives and no one goes around "protesting" because of it, this case was because a very short video of only the shooting were the knife could barely even be seen was posted on twitter and misinformation about it spreaded instantly.
Insane that you would defend such person that would sucker punched an old guy. While at the same fucking time having a problem that kyle defended themselves from being attacked. amazing.
Also I don't know what drama you have with property when the people that were killed were killed because they attacked someone that was armed. So yeah stop whining about that.
If we could go back to my original post, I was not complaining about the people who got shot, I was pointing out Rittenhouse's own stated reasons for being there:
He brought a gun to an area he had no business being in to protect property. With his gun. What did he think he was going to do with it if not shoot people (take lives) to protect property?
Oh yeah, what kyle did is very stupid. But what the others were doing is orders of magnitude more stupid.
Not really, usually just having people armed is enough to deter others from looting, that's more likely what they expected to happen.
And it doesn't matter because no looter was shot here.
So yeah if you shoot at some people simply because they were looting you're in big trouble, or maybe you are, in the end in the US trials are by jury and most likely than not if you are the owner of the place it is very likely that the jury would not found you guilty, don't test it out though lol.
So the plan was to threaten people with a gun and people are surprised he got attacked?
What do you think the plan would have been if someone ignored the gun and went after damaging property anyway?
Unless they're by a vigilante or a cop giving someone a death sentence. Then they "had it coming."
Did kyle threatened people with their gun? Open carry =! brandishing
They yeah they would have fucked up if they fired on that person.
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And why does having a person with a gun deter looting? Because it's an implicit threat that they will get shot. Hence, "threatening".
Are you for real arguing that armed people protecting a place are a threat to you and therefore you can use that as justification of self defense if you attack them? lmao.
"Yes your honor, this guy with a gun was a threat to my looting therefore I attacked them and because they fought back I killed them in self defense, yes they tried to flee but I still killed them anyway"
I am arguing that only an idiot points a gun at someone they don't intend to kill.
In the same vein I am arguing that only an idiot brings a gun somewhere to "protect property" if they don't intend to use it. (Whether they "want to" or not is irrelevant, if whatever situation they consider appropriate arises, they intend to shoot somebody.)
For someone to bring their gun somewhere they have no good reason being in order to "protect property" they need to be ready and willing to use it or they are too fucking stupid to be allowed to have a gun.
Which goes back to my original point: "you can take lives to protect property. You can not damage property to protect lives."
The property of complete strangers was more important to Rittenhouse than the lives of the complete strangers he would be shooting in order to "protect" it.