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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:

In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.

The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".

It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.

In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.

(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)

Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:

But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.

There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.

In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.

Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.

The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.

original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

So I've never heard of (or maybe I've forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of "rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint" kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually "we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone's views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted."

What is this place?

This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.

The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!

They've got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be "bigotry not welcome."

My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another "We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we're really for the right" kind of a place?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it is indeed a place for rational and reasoned discussion of why the fourteen words are correct, yes.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Ah very well. (Edit - morbid curiosity drove me to read the thread on hip hop. Yeesh. I shoulda just done that before I asked.)

[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jesus fuck, I hate myself so I couldn't help but take a peek. The first comment says "TL;DR but I will still counterargue!" The OP then responds "that's stupid" and gets slapped by the admin for personal attacks. So basically, you can make personal attacks if your account has a history of agreeing with the zeitgeist and you veil them behind enough qualifiers. What an absolute joke of a message board.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

I think some of them truly believe that more words makes their comment smarter, too. At one point I was thinking "there's no way your misinformed opinions regarding cherrypicked hiphop examples and open musings about how unfair it is not to be able to say the n-word could possibly require that wordcount."

I also noticed there was no hesitation about using n-word uncensored within the comment.

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

THEY HAVE A THREAD ON HIP HOP!?> LINDA HOLD MY GODDAMN CLALS

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I warn you it's not even good rage bait. It's a bunch of folks who think they know the entire breadth of what comes under the category of hiphop but cherrypick a few specific styles and examples to paint it all with a very broad brush. Their analysis even of the songs they specify is remarkably superficial, as is their view of the entire genre.

When I reached the inevitable "they can say the N word but we can't" pontification I stopped reading.

[–] YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rage bait? My child, I am an anthropologist

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Well shit, let me know if you post, I might pop some popcorn and go back to the thread to watch.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In addition to what David said the motto is also a spinoff of Slatestarscodex reddit, where they had a 'culture war' thread which was a containment thread for the culture war topics (which is a bad idea, containment threads cause spillover in the rest of the community (see for example discords with 'everything goes' meme channels or the ur example /pol/), which was spin off from the subreddit because it was getting so bad. Scott (slatestarcodex) played the game of cryptoneoreactionary 'sorry you feel that way' disavowal of the thread but still vague endorsed themotte.

I'm still annoyed I didn't take screenshots of the replies on themotte trying to recruit people into blood and soil (a neo-nazi term if you are not up to that terminology) homesteading community. I still wonder if they deleted their own reply, themotte mods did it (doubtful as they seem to be very into also leaving mod messages for transparancy) or if it was the reddit admins.

Anyway, the place sucks, and basically anything vile goes there if you use enough words, references, and are vague enough about it. (So don't say 'I want to kill people who cheat' you write a 4000k word post on your ideal society which includes references to capital punishment for cuckolds).