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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)

so i read the article and all the coments here, as well as most of the cited links and some other articles i thought would help. im not an economist but i know most of you aren’t either.

are we just allergic to admitting the economy might just be mid?

why are we so horny to say JOE BIDEN GOOD or JOE BIDEN BAD? when really it’s quite clear that many many things are bad, many people lost jobs, people are struggling, people are scared AND ALSO it could be a lot worse, because we’ve seen it be a lot worse in recent history?

and everyone railing against Biden in these comments: so are we cool with voting third party? letting the spoiler effect spoil? shudder voting Trump? what are your intentions? the primaries are over. the time to set up a third line to the trolley problem is past.

what are we doing? maybe we should pick a better struggle.

go unionize your workplace. go help out your neighbors and friends, go and participate in local government. vote for biden to minimize the violence that will inevitably occur. plant a garden for your community. support local artists who might be disabled or unable to work. tip your waiter. be decent? be kind. i don’t know im literally just a girl. whatever

[–] docAvid@midwest.social 10 points 7 months ago

So many people consider any kind of nuance to be weakness and failure.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

why are we so horny to say JOE BIDEN GOOD or JOE BIDEN BAD?

I'll 100% agree with this -- I actually feel pretty weird coming in and saying all good things about any establishment Democrat like some kind of faithful CNN viewer. For me I actually try to make a deliberate effort to air criticism of Biden where it's due (bottom comment here or talking about his support for Israel), although I can kind of understand the desire to respond to "Biden bad Biden bad Biden bad" in this sort of endless drumbeat with saying he's good on everything, just to sort of "counterbalance."

But yeah there's nothing wrong with just saying it the way it is, good or bad.

go unionize your workplace. go help out your neighbors and friends, go and participate in local government. vote for biden to minimize the violence that will inevitably occur. plant a garden for your community. support local artists who might be disabled or unable to work. tip your waiter. be decent? be kind.

1,000% agree. Internet is nice to be able to communicate about interests that maybe people in your real world environment don't share. But nothing about real political and social change will happen from typing a comment.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

For me I actually try to make a deliberate effort to air criticism of Biden where it’s due

You're the very first person on many threads to accuse Biden's critics of being Russian shills.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 4 points 7 months ago

Those are not mutually exclusive statements.

I can believe in giving fair criticism of Biden, while believing also that the absolute tsunami of total bullshit criticism that comes in a very particular style of interaction that's markedly different from organic comments, is probably exactly what it seems like it is.

I don't think I ever accused any specific person of being specifically Russian, but yes I believe that most of the drumbeat of Biden-is-bad-for-this-made-up-reason-no-I-will-take-no-questions comments represent an organized shilling effort.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

why are we so horny to say JOE BIDEN GOOD or JOE BIDEN BAD?

I mainly object to one: people with that position seem to be ignoring data, trends, news from last week. But how do you discuss that people need to pay attention to the world instead of sticking to their beliefs, without appearing to be the other zealot?