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"Despite these polls and the passions raised by the war with Hamas, it is easy to exaggerate the power of Gaza as a motivating issue for voters eight months from no-win November. History suggests that foreign policy issues end up as a minor motif in presidential politics unless American soldiers are dying in combat as they were in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004.”

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

History suggests that foreign policy issues end up as a minor motif in presidential politics unless American soldiers are dying in combat as they were in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004.

History does suggest that but we are in the present. It's now rated one of the top issues facing the country. Maybe voters will forget all about it by November, but it seems pretty important as things stand now.

Best hope for Biden is for this nightmare in Gaza to end. Obviously Trump is worse, but it's not a good look for Biden in any case. He could stop supporting Israel but I don't know what the death toll would have to reach for that to happen

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It's a perfect wedge issue to cleave voters away from Biden. He's the least popular president in modern history and democrats have lost substantial support from people of color more broadly. He was likely to lose before this. He's more likely now.

Democratic poll denialism is a sure sign we are in serious, serious trouble.

Edit: the fact that people downvote comments stating basic facts about a) the unpopularity of Biden, and b) the rising unpopularity of democrats among people of color is exactly what I'm talking about. We're in serious trouble.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/democrats-are-hemorrhaging-support

Republicans have become the party of "if we don't win it, we'll take it." And democrats have become the party of "but we have to win! I don't want to look at anything that doesn't agree, and I don't want to have to do anything about it except downvote!"

I'm straight up terrified.

[–] Atyno@dmv.social 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The polls are wrong as long as they keep clashing with electoral reality. Nate Copper's article is heavy on poll data but flimsy on electoral anecdotes: a county election in 2020 and New York Elections with inconvenient data lopped off (The recent elections to replace George Santos).

The shift the polls are claiming are so seismic that it begs the question why this unprecedented shift is non-existent in basically every post-dobbs election. And let's not forget the fact that these polls present other, nonsensical trends to like the elderly shifting hard to Democrats too: a shift that can't easily be waved off by the usual "The shift is only in voters that only vote in presidential elections" excuse.