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Yes Nvidia is still a shitty company like every other. But their open source drivers run pretty well by now.
Assuming you're talking about Nouveau, it's pretty hit or miss depending on what card you have. My previous laptop had an MX330 and it couldn't do hardware acceleration stuff and 120Hz via HDMI, not to mention screen sharing on Wayland was wonky.
Oh, and it's worth to mention that "their" open source driver had nothing to do with Nvidia themselves; they absolute do not care, as opposed to AMD.
I think he means nvk. It's a whole new world. I thought I just heard it's ready. So worth checking out I guess.
Judging by the docs at mesa3d, I don't even have a card that supports it
I'm not talking about Nouveau. I'm talking about the Open Source drivers from Nvidia. They released them a while ago and they've gotten pretty good lately.
I heard back than that the open source driver is pretty much just a layer of abstraction and that most actual code runs in the firmware which is proprietary
The driver you're likely referring to is NVK, which is also not developed by Nvidia, check out the annoucement post by Collabora, it says:
And also
So they're developing a driver based off headers made available by Nvidia and some of the reverse engineered code from regular Nouveau. In fact, it seems to be a branch of Nouveau as it stands:
So the "OSS drivers from Nvidia" aren't what makes it work, it's the whole community effort to build NVK from scratch.
Regardless, it only supports the most recent cards using Turing architecture. From mesa3d docs:
And still I'm not taking about nvk nor am I taking about nouveau. I'm taking about the open source drivers from nvidia. https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-modules/
The kernel driver isn't all you need, you still have to pair it to their closed-source drivers or Nouveau/NVK, which are the device drivers
Based on what?
Based on what I heard from people who use it. I don't have a nvidia card so can't tell.
The narrative around Nvidia seems to have done a complete 180 in the last year or two. I'm skeptical that it's as good as many are stating.
Are these OSS drivers maintained by Nvidia? Or is it Nouveau?
I know practically nothing about Nvidia's drivers, but I can see them doing a 180° flip, because they want to grab a chunk of that AI market.
Even before LLMs, they were investing there, and now it's just completely settled that tons of AI-related hardware needs to be either a beefy a server machine or a low-profile edge PC. For both, Linux is very much preferrable.
Nvidia pretty much always dominated the AI GPU market with their closed source driver and Cuda. Nothing has changed about that except for more competition in AI specific hardware which you can buy from several vendors now. But no one has ever used AMD cards with OpenCL for AI or ML. If you were serious about it, you always used Nvidia with Cuda or nowadays some dedicated AI accelerator card (DPUs).
Yes, and with the addition of NVK it's gotten a lot better. There is still some issues on Wayland and specific problem cards, but it's not nearly as bad as it was even 2y ago.