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Usernames are now rolling out to everyone using Signal version 7.0! (mastodon.world)

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[–] rdri@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's on iMessage wiki

It doesn't say it works for group chats.

But do you have sources that proof that Apple is lying?

I got some complaints from people unable to leave conversations if they have less than 3 or 4 people, which suggests there are technical differences in how they work with many people. It's logical to suggest the switch from e2e to shared keys happens there.

Also no credible source suggests what you suggest

Also trusting apple is not a good thing in my book.

But why use a sketchy service with headquarters in Dubai that is like "trust us bro, we need access to your private conversations for totally legit technical cloud reasons, we totally wont look or share that information with anyone, pinky promise."

Apple is more sketchy for me lol.

You choose to rely on a service's promise that it doesn't host your data. I prefer relying on my experience which says dangers from individuals and conversations are more grave and more likely to be triggered than dangers from services those are being hosted on. I can't imagine anyone would benefit from spending time on reading or processing my conversations anyway. My messages can get long and it's not optimal for my devices to spend resources on constantly re-encrypting them for every chat member.

[–] DaseinPickle@leminal.space 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t say it works for group chats. It says all messages send between iMessage users are end to end encrypted. That, of cause, also goes for group chats. It is only the Telegram marketing machine that act that group chats is some special edge case.

But if you must have it spelled out, here it is: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/sec70e68c949/web

I got some complaints from people unable to leave conversations if they have less than 3 or 4 people, which suggests there are technical differences in how they work with many people. It’s logical to suggest the switch from e2e to shared keys happens there.

Now you are just making things up. Apple explicitly write in their documentation, that this is not the case. So again, you suggest they are lying without any proof.

You choose to rely on a service’s promise that it doesn’t host your data. I prefer relying on my experience which says dangers from individuals and conversations are more grave and more likely to be triggered than dangers from services those are being hosted on. I can’t imagine anyone would benefit from spending time on reading or processing my conversations anyway.

I see, you don't understand the nature of mass surveillance and surveillance capitalism. It's not really about individuals reading specific conversations..

[–] rdri@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It is only the Telegram marketing machine that act that group chats is some special edge case.

It is a case that doesn't fall into "end to end" definition by default because in group chats there are more than 2 ends. Any implementation of group chat like that would be structurally nonstandard.

But if you must have it spelled out, here it is:

Thanks.

Now you are just making things up.

Just google "can't leave group chat" or something.

I see, you don't understand the nature of mass surveillance and surveillance capitalism. It's not really about individuals reading specific conversations..

It is exactly about that, otherwise I don't see why would anyone care. Having grown up under a police state regime I live under assumption that the surveillance is everywhere anyway. Don't mind feeding surveillance capitalists with my messages, knowing how many options I have to make them choke. I know that if someone wants to cause me any problems, neither Telegram nor Signal would prevent that.