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[Poland PM] Tusk: Time of peace in EU is over, we live in pre-war times (www.ukrinform.net)

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"The times of peace are over, the post-war era is over. We live in new times - in the pre-war era; for some of our brothers, this is no longer even the pre-war era, but the period of full-scale war in its most cruel version," Tusk said.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I always find this odd that people think that European Nato is weak and couldn't take on Russia, especially when one of the poorest countries in Europe (Ukraine) fought them into a stalemate.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It doesn't matter if Europe only NATO is weak or not. It would look weak. For better or worse the US is at least half it not more of NATO's effective force. The loss would embolden Russia and friends.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 8 months ago

Ukraine has also had significant support from NATO, both in materiel and in intelligence. A lot of that support came from the USA and a lot of the means to refill strategic reserves are mainly American owned and run.

A European only NATO has diminished command and control capabilities and defense industry.