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The problem is our society has these ideals that are unachievable by most individuals. There are people out there who can have abs without effort and those who never can, but our culture doesn’t account for that and always views the skinnier person as healthier. We have never been good at catering towards individuals.
TBH, most of the time you just don't see the effort. While there's certainly a genetic component, most of it is what you eat, how much you eat, and your activity level. Having worked as a personal trainer for a brief period of time, I can tell you that there are a lot of people that are entirely resistant to any real, serious changes to their diet, that refuse to track what they're actually eating, and think they're putting in the effort when they're barely getting their heart rate up. When you tell a person to track every single thing that enters their mouth for a single day, 99% of the people simply won't, because the idea that they need to change their relationship with food is too scary to them.
Diet and exercise work for a lot of people but it’s just not always viable given what we’re expected to do with all our time. Also we celebrate by eating so there’s a level of enjoyment with food for many people. If people could have time and money it’d be easier but for most it’s just not feasible.
...But that's not actually relevant to the initial opinion. From a strictly medical perspective, the overwhelmingly vast percentage of people that are overweight are overweight because of how much they eat, and what their activity level is. You're talking about factors outside of that, and that's simply not what the person that posted the original unpopular opinion was claiming.
Sorry what I mean is that the explanation goes beyond just science. These other factors are real and affects a broad swathe of the populace. I’m saying that fatphobics are bigots for more than their misunderstanding of science. I’d say that’s supporting the original argument.
The original statement refers only to not understanding medical science, and that they're bigots because they don't understand that science. I refuted that argument. Now you're saying that there are social and cultural factors rather than just science. You have moved the goal posts of the argument.
Oh I didn’t realize you were refuting the original argument as it’s clear from years of research that population level guidance (AMA recommendations) has been both wrong and ineffective. Even in the scientific community there has been bigotry against fat: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033062021000670 which is why some of these recommendations have remained for so long.