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Literally what hamas is doing right now.
Literally what anonymous did in the US on several occasions during the early:mid 2000s
Literally Wikileaks.
Literally the Walmart protests.
Big oil/global warming protests
On and on
Just because people haven’t cared enough about the things YOU deem a problem, doesn’t mean people don’t care. Don’t try and prescribe your altered reality on the rest of us.
Half of these have nothing to do with the topic at hand. And then the rest are top notch examples...
Walmart has been supremely crippled by public opinion, hasn't it? Such a strong public grudge, they are surely on the brink of running out of business. The big oil corps totally care about what you think. Nestle is sweating trying to keep their business afloat. Pre-orders are dead, early access is a failed business model. Blizzard is in shambles after the Blitzchung incident. And the sexual assault.
On and on.
Way to move the goal post lmfao.
We were talking about the public caring, not effectiveness. But good attempt at a strawman.
Why do you say things like 'goal posts' and 'strawman' instead of actually talking like a conversation. From what I can tell the person you were responding to was talking about what made a difference, not what people care about. Many people care a lot about all the issues you mentioned but they were saying that the protests and boycotts didn't directly make much of an impact against these companies or groups.
Okay but even then… I think he’s wrong.
Walmart changed their wages. That shit did work.
Global warming protests have resulted in numerous policy being put out and other various wins amongst losses.
Blizzard had several high ranking individuals step down, there were settlements given for the law suits etc etc.
Not everyone here has to subscribe to a defeatist logical dumpster fire that many seem to have taken up (in general)
Taking action and speaking up works if you get enough people together and can cooperate and operate as a supportive team.
EDIT: removed my bull in China shop response to this poor person just trying to explain what they were talking about 🤦🏻♂️
I don't understand your animosity haha, I'm not offended, it just came off as a clunky way to communicate. I'm not the defeatist you were talking to, I'm incredibly optimistic. I agree that we should protest and boycott. The way you are communicating is like you're trying to fight me, you don't even know my position!
Like if someone started a polite conversation with you on the street this is how you would respond? I'm on your side, you can chill out.
You’re right, I did mix streams here a bit, but to be fair you interjected into the conversation which was already at speed, and you just kinda stopped on the tracks. Not an excuse, I should do better to recognize the situation separately from my feelings about it and make rational communication choices.
My bad!
True but this is a public forum :p maybe it was unnecessary on my part lol, no worries.
You misunderstand, I’m not saying you shouldn’t, but don’t act surprised that the trains is moving as fast as it is just because you weren’t already moving at that speed too
However, like I said, I’m taking responsibility for not being aware of people hopping onto these sets of tracks every now and then, and taking it a bit slower at these areas
Goalposts? Come on
Is what I said. We were talking about public grudge against megacorps, how Hamas, Wikileaks or Anonymous factors in the topic, Im really not sure.
And I also don’t really see how I’m strawmanning. I was maybe being faceticious. By all means correct me if I’m wrong.
Walmart raising wages might be seen as a successfull protest, but walmart is still exploiting unskilled labour for terrible wages, just not terrible enough for people to huff and puff over. What actually changed about walmart?
Big oil is still just as horrible, we are still plunging head first into full scale climate catastrophe by the end of the century in pursuit of profits. What has actually changed?
If you want to call this an example of succesfull public action with sizeable long term implications, I guess we have to agree to disagree. The way I see it these companies just do the bare minimum to muffle the loud voices and just wait until the collective memory moves on to the next thing on the news cycle.
That is precisely what you said. And if we want to double back to your reply, both anonymous and wikileaks are largely forgotten as well.
Blizzard might have changed leadership but if the public grudge is really as strong (and not easily forgotten) as you imply, then where were all the people who yelled they would never support blizz again (after either incident, or the many smaller things people have hated), they released the garbage pile that is D4 and upon quick google it made roughly as much money as D3.
People dont remember this stuff for more than a week, and even then, the people talking about it are a vocal minority. Most people don’t care or can’t afford to care in the first place. And most of the loud ones are just virtue signal bandwaggoning. This was very evident on reddit, for example. People somehow had all the same talking points for about 2-3 weeks, then it was the next thing, the old one somehow forgotten.
Yeah dude you’re right your defeatist logic is the only way to go
Nothing matters
Nothing you do matters
Life is meaningless
Boo hoo
I don’t subscribe to this ideology, so yes we will agree to disagree. You say shit like Anonymous and Wikileaks are largely forgotten 😂
You ask how hamas attacking freighters full of western goods and capital have anything to do with mega corps LMAO 🤣
The only way you could have a conversation with me was to try and shut down my original point (which all you’ve come back with was that Anonymous and Wikileaks just are forgotten somehow and have no ability to back that point up) by coming up with your own and arguing that.
That’s text book goalpost moving. Let me start randomly popping into your comments with other people claiming separate points as rationale for your point somehow not having meaning
This is literal Chewbacca defense gtfo of my responses please this shit is too funny
I mean, yea, does a rock rolling down a hill have meaning? But I don’t really see that as a problem, I’m having a banger time anyway…
Houthis are not the Hamas but okay… The Houthis are not protesting shipping or shipping companies in the red sea any more than climate activists are protesting classical paintings.
Mate, all you have come back with is “You are wrong LMAO🤣”, call it a strawman if you want, the distance from the steelman version of your arguments is a rounding error.
Anonymous hasn’t been in the news for anything for over a year and even then it was minor disruptive shit, WikiLeaks hasn’t published anything of note in 4 years… Go ask random people on the street to name one thing either is known for besides generalisations like hacking or leaks and watc 9/10 (probably more like 98/100) stumble over their words.
You are in the comments on a post about nintendo calling people dellusional for not believing some peoples grudge against one of the biggest names in the industry means jack. I provided reasonably similar examples ( EA, blizzard). So when you get called out on it you clap back with “but hamas, wikileaks and anonymous?” But sure, realism is dillusional defeatism, im shuffling goalposts left and right. Everyone who has seen your comment clearly agrees with you.
E: minor interpolation in the last paragraph