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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 40 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm not afraid of bad faith attempts to ruin democracy as backlash from this decision because bad faith attempts to ruin democracy are coming regardless of the outcome of this particular case

[–] drmeanfeel@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. This constant handwringing is so tiresome.

They WILL try it, regardless of precedent.

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bush pulled a bullshit card in 2000 and it worked

[–] pete@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

And were still paying for it. So did Regan, and Nixon. Its just a pattern at this point

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I think it's important to point out that they had a riot in Florida to stop the recount. The RNC paid for it, and they bragged about using the threat of violence to stop the recount. Google Brooks Brothers riot. In the last 30 years Republicans have had more riots to try to ignore the vote than they've had popular vote winners. The end of democracy is their only chance going forward, they know it and they're open about the fact that they're trying to make it happen.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

To rephrase the excellent point made: Its short sighted to think suffering no consequences for crimes will encourage the MAGA criminals to not do more bad faith crimes.

We either legitimize their actions by witholding consequences or we attempt to give them consequences and they claim their next scheme is retaliation for the consequences rather than retaliation for something entirely fabricated (ex: "stolen election" bullshit)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have no doubt. But I'm not in a rush to open a new can of worms, when there's no discernible benefit.

Let me know if a court in Michigan or Ohio or Pennsylvania yanks Trump off the ballot. Then we can talk.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Upholding the constitution is a discernable benefit.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The constitution itself contains no designation, description, or necessary admission of the existence of such a thing as slavery, servitude, or the right of property in man. We are obliged to go out of the instrument and grope among the records of oppression, lawlessness and crime – records unmentioned, and of course unsanctioned by the constitution – to find the thing, to which it is said that the words of the constitution apply. And when we have found this thing, which the constitution dare not name, we find that the constitution has sanctioned it (if at all) only by enigmatical words, by unnecessary implication and inference, by innuendo and double entendre, and under a name that entirely fails of describing the thing.

From "No Treason, The Constitution of No Authority" by Lyndard Spooner, discussing the fundamental failures of the document when confronting the horror of the antebellum South.

[–] bane_killgrind@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 months ago

There's always a new can of worms.