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Jon Stewart on Israel - Palestine | The Daily Show (www.youtube.com)

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Jon Stewart weighs in on the war in Gaza and offers up a solution for ending the conflict.

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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's more than "calling them out" when they helped create the situation. The Arab league invaded Israel with intent to destroy it and genocided and ethnically cleansed Jews from Jerusalem and the West Bank while they were at it, providing justification for the very annexations they claim is a major cause of all this violence and refusal of diplomacy. Or, how Egypt pretends to be concerned for Gazans while not letting them out.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's more than "calling them out" when they helped create the situation. The Arab league invaded Israel (…)

I was not talking about Arab people, I don’t know where you got that from.

Also before the Arab league invaded Israel, (debatable but not our topic) Israel had to be created as a country. If Israel has the right to exist in West Asia, there are no valid arguments on why Palestine should not have that right as well. Are there?

For the apartheid in South Africa to end, both colonizers and colonized worked together for some sort of solution. Palestine has recognized Israel as part of the Oslo agreement. As long as Israel is not recognizing Palestine, no solution can be implemented, and the Genocide will continue.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Well, that was what Jon Stewart's plan was, to get the Arab League to enforce a demilitarized zone between Palestine and Israel and guarantee safety for both. That's what I was talking about.

Keep using the term genocide incorrectly and it will soon be meaningless. It doesn't mean a lot of civilians died from collateral damage, it means intentional extermination/destruction of a protected group, which is not happening.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

to get the Arab League to enforce a demilitarized zone between Palestine and Israel

Let’s say that this is what he’s saying. I don’t see you mentioning what Israel has to do, so this reading cannot not be a solution cause it leaves out the responsibilities of Israel. What would you put on the top of the list of what Israel has to do? My answer to that would be that Israel has to stop bombing and starving, civilians and children, as well as recognize Palestine.

On Genocide, Israel is doing at least 3 of the 5 required for one to be called as such. And ICJ court said "plausible" so far.

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
a. Killing members of the group;
b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
e. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're ignoring that first part, without which every military action would qualify under that statute:

with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,

Israel's started intent is to destroy Hamas, which is none of those protected groups.

Plausible does not mean probable. The ICJ didn't order a cease fire, which would be odd if this was in fact a genocide.

[–] roastedDeflator@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I am not ignoring the first part, this is why every military action doesn't qualify under that statute but Israel is “plausibly” doing a Genocide according to ICJ. Personally I don’t need a court decision to make up my mind.

Plausible does not mean probable

see dictionary for details?

Apart from that, you haven't said anything about what are Israel’s responsibilities, and you actively ignored my specific question on the matter. We cannot talk solutions without that so I don’t see any point continuing this attempt to have a conversation.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, it's clear you've made up your mind, good thing you're not a judge on the IJC misinterpreting the law.

I would say the most important thing Israel has to do is defeat Hamas, which means either destroying them or getting them to surrender, while not breaking the law. They have a responsibility to protect their own people and to honor their treaties. They're letting in 100 humanitarian aid trucks a day into Gaza on average, each one has to be searched, protesters are blocking many of them, and many humanitarian aid organizations have decided it is too dangerous to send trucks, if that is not legally sufficient they need to let in more.

Good day.