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I've said a few times recently, in most urban planning respects Australia is like America but just a little bit better.
The catch is when it comes to big stadiums and other large event venues. Our stadia are leaps and bounds better than America's from an urban planning perspective.
Canberra may be boring, but the "trendier" areas (i.e. along the tram line) have made good strides in moving away from car-focused urban planning. Shame those areas are super expensive.
The problem with Canberra is that it has a large amount of sprawl, but at least they seem to be heading in the right direction. They also have a nice cycle network, although it seems from a distance to be more recreational than used for transport.
Yeah unfortunately that will tend to happen when it's only done haphazardly. Surprise surprise, people like living in well-defined urban spaces! And will pay to do it!
Plus, I'm guessing that there may have been better public transport and cycling infrastructure, but a lot of the time it's probably still low-density single-family homes, rather than increasing to medium density row houses and apartments? That's obviously also going to be a big driver of cost.
But they havnt fucking replaced the car transport with a feasable alternative. The tram goes between nothing and fuck all, busses come every half hour if ur lucky. So if ur like the 99% of people in canberra and dont live in the friggin city its at least an hour commute by public transport if ur area even has public transport. Or u could drive and do it in 10mins. In theory ita great in practice its a complete clusterfuck much like everything the socialists try and implement.
Why is public transport socialist now? Public transport existed before Karl Marx was born.
Car transport isn't really feasible when you account for pollution, infrastructure costs, scalability and safety. It just seems to be accepted. It was feasible when the population was small and cars were unaffordable for most. Additionally, cars aren't feasible when you've mixed alcohol with prescription medication and laying down next to a planter box, apparently something that happens in Canberra.
Why did i say its socialist first canberra has had a left leaning governwmnt for too long i dont care what sides in power they need to be kicked out once in a while. Second cos the tram forced on the labor party by the greens to form a coallition (the greens are socialist).
I would say anything that lets mw get to work and back in 10mins as apposed to 60mins is far more feasable than the alternarive. Pollution is a cooporation issue not our problem any other idea is oil company propaganda. Infrastructure costs over what period of time its all relative. Safety natrual selection. Lieing next to planter box on drugs and drunk again darwinian theory applies.
You cannot call safety a "natural selection" issue. I know you're being deliberately offensive but do you really believe that it applies in cases where innocent pedestrians or other drivers pay the price for someone else's bad driving?
With public transport the operators can be made to have a higher level of training as well as more checks and opportunity for enforcement.
Interestingly, you ignored my scalability argument, we can't just keep adding lanes to roads. We also can't just keep adding carriages to trains or more frequent services but it is a lot cheaper to do than re-engineer a busy road
@unionagainstdhmo @muntedcrocodile Munted crocodile (by the way, I love your username), I'm genuinely curious about something.
So let's get this straight. You don't like 'socialism', and you don't like governments providing services to citizens, and you're a fan of social Darwinism.
If that's the case, what in the bloody hell are you doing in Canberra?!
Seriously, the whole town is basically public servants, defence personnel, consultants, contractors, and the people who provide services to them.
And yeah, if you're being directly or indirectly paid by taxpayers, then of course you're going to vote for parties that support government services.
With the light rail, the issue at this stage is that the network isn't extensive enough yet. And the solution is more light rail.
It's fantastic if you live between Gungahlin and Civic. Public transport along its own dedicated right of way spends a lot less time in traffic. But it needs to be rolled out further for more people to gain the benefits.
I can and i will call safety a natural selection issue. Stand on road -> get hit by truck -> die -> gene pool has less stand on road genes. Same applies to rail lines and phylosophically i would argue same should applie to many other things.
Ill keep ignore ur scalability concerns untill u can tell my why on gods green earth i should spend an hour commutting instead of 10mins driving.
So you're saying people shouldn't use the footpath. Because, crazy thing is cars and trucks sometimes leave the road. A young couple was killed in QLD last year or the year before and they were just using the footpath. I guess we should select against the "go for a walk gene". (Obviously using the footpath or standing on the road isn't a genetic property that natural selection can effect)
Wow there is another crazy thing that happens sometimes trains come off their rails and busses have all the same problems as cars the only thing they win out on is efficiency.
Any idiot can drive a car, you need consistent training and qualifications to drive a bus or train
Imagine believing in stand on road genes.