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Macron refuses to rule out putting troops on ground in Ukraine in call to galvanise Europe
(www.theguardian.com)
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Sadly it looks more and more like a full on traditional war is coming back to Europe. We should have invested more in destabilizing Russian government when we had the chance.
Yeah we should have, after promising Russia not to expand Nato "one inch to the east", almost IMMEDIATELY expanded Nato to the east. And then within 14 years be at their border. That would have destabilized the situation much more. If we only had done that! My point is that whatever we did to get to this point, we just should have done more of it.
Luckily we now get the war that was promised! And luckily we also get to do the exact same thing again with China and Taiwan! How great is that?
Come on, don’t be so willingly daft. Or maybe you’re just here to stir shit. NATO expansion is in response to russian aggression, both historic and renewed. Does NATO expansion have a fucking thing to do with Russia’s clandestine or overt wars in Belarus? Georgia? Ukraine? Moldova? With renewed saber-rattling in Central Asia? Can you really not see what’s happening? Fucking read up on Russia’s actions and intent over the last 20 years. Putin wants to reconstitute “Ruskiiy Mir”, blyat. And you’re blaming fucking NATO? Fuck off.
And Russia was a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum. What's your point?
Sorry... which countries exactly do you think are in NATO?
This needs more nato, you can barely see it
Since Finland will most likely be part of NATO soon and wouldn't have been if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, I think that is going to happen.
Finland is sure to join NATO, it is already signed and ratified, going into effect in April. Sweden is close behind now that Hungary pulled its head out of its ass.
Thanks, I didn't realize Finland had already gotten that far.
Lets do Taiwan and Georgia next!
What? I have difficulties understanding your point - maybe you can rephrase it.
They’re running with the Russian “NATO made me do it” talking point. You know, that same argument that abusive husbands use rather than own up to their own actions.
Are they? Seems like it, but the way they used to expressed they thoughts is rather confusing to me.
Yeah I took it as a poor attempt at sarcasm on their part
It was not to extend NATO bases into East Germany, which they haven't
And moreover it was about not deploying nuclear weapons there, which they haven't. The commenter above has it wrong. The soviet diplomats were no idiots at all. They knew exactly what they negotiated and agreed to and it's precisely what happened.
The Russians had absolutely no reason to be so terrified about the NATO membership of two teeny tiny Baltic Nations. Those were and still are the only two NATO nations on Russia's border.
Of course with Putin's massive cock-up in Ukraine he's now going to have NATO Finland on his border and that will create NATO Lake. Soo if expansionist NATO was the problem then Russia just made it a hell of a lot worse for themselves.
Oh we taking promises? What about RUSSIA promising UKRAINE in exchange for nuclear capability to not invade and then they did anyway? And all the genocide, is that totally cool because nato expanded more than an inch (which is a misrepresentation of the truth, I might add)
Pathetic little bad faith Russian propaganda troll