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Edward Snowden: Why did he have to leave USA & go into hiding? Where is he anyway? Who is taking care of him? How does he earn money to survive? What is he doing? (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world to c/outoftheloop@lemmy.world

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Yep. Every time I bring up the objectively bad parts of the leaks, people just flip out.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What parts are objectively bad? see a lot that’s subjectively bad for the US, but plenty of other people are glad to know that they had been spied on and plenty of other countries are happy to have the US lose some significant pr points.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It wasn’t just US assets that were uncovered in the leak.

The Chinese were able to decrypt much of it causing nations other than the USA to need to evacuate personnel for safety reasons.

Your feelings are one thing, seeing the USA with egg on its face always gets folks happy, rah rah USA bad we get it. That doesn’t change what happened.

Snowden isn’t the villain he is made out to be by the USA but goddamn did he do a stupid thing in a dumb way and isn’t the hero folks who like to see the USA fail make him out to be.

Chances are people in your country who work to keep you safe had their lives put at risk because of how he leaked what he leaked. Good still came out of it. It can be both.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Chances are people in your country who work to keep you safe

appeal to emotion

but goddamn did he do a stupid thing in a dumb way and isn’t the hero folks who like to see the USA fail make him out to be.

speculation. do be careful speaking as if you're the adult in the room with absolutely nothing to show that you deserve this respect.

and provide links please, i find your argument spurious so let's dispense with the pleasantry

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Christ on a stick get your logical fallacy bullshit out of a casual conversation we’re having online.

If you need a source for my opinion then it’s me.

If you need a source for the things I’m asserting then I’d honestly say go to Wikipedia because it’s probably the best resource for info that’s reviewed and has a trail. Beyond that I would wager you’d find issue with anything that corroborates what I assert.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

That’s subjectively bad for the personnel and subjectively good for China. I’m not saying it was subjectively good for countries like Canada or Germany, but someone did benefit.

[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

My memory is fuzzy. Didn't he originally try to give the full, un-redacted docs to just newspapers, but got frustrated with the slowness/unresponsiveness or something and then everything went public? Or am I thinking of the earlier guy who worked on writing illegal software for the government, tried to blow the whistle and then got in trouble? Or am I thinking of a subsequent whistleblower who tried to use a secure dropbox for media, but it turned out to be insecure? There's just been so many people trying to show proof of shady government stuff that I can't keep track of which of the folks are supposed to be 'bad' for doing so.