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A loud minority of Texans call for Independence, which is not really possible as far as I know, BUT could the Rest of the USA just kick another state (Not necessary Texas) out? Or is this also not possible?

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 138 points 8 months ago (36 children)

The US Constitution currently has no mechanism to break any individual State out of the Union. Throughout our history, this has been interpreted as a sign that the Union is perpetual, and not able to be dissolved. This got put to the test in our Civil War, where a bunch of states up and said "We're Leaving" and the Federal Government said "You can't just do that". They fought a war over it, and the Federal Government won, proving its position correct by force.

With that said, the US was founded as a government of the People, and so if the people want to carve out a way for States to leave, they must first establish a mechanism via amending the Constitution, which requires a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress (or a Constitutional Convention) coupled with 3/4 of State Legislatures ratifying it.

There is a provision, though, to make States out of other States. Maine and West Virginia were both formed out of land that belonged to Massachusetts and Virginia.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (16 children)

You could just pass an amendment...

But specifically for kicking a state out I don't think the bar is that high. If the legislature and executive agreed then it could be done very quickly.

[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Just" passing an amendment requires more than 75% of states to ratify the amendment. So even if all of Congress decided nuts to Delaware, we're moving them out, it would still go to the state of legislatures to be formalized

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Oh no the amendment is for if a state wants to leave. Since there's no standard around kicking a state out at all, it defaults to 50+1 votes in Congress and a President willing to enforce it

[–] HandBreadedTools@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is literally just wrong dude

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I expect at the very least you'd also need scotus to agree, though if legislative and executive are both willing to ignore them then ...profit?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the checks and balances. SCOTUS literally has no power without Congress or the President.

[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but it wouldn't be "legal" unless scotus agreed it was, even if it happened anyway.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No. SCOTUS does not have to agree to everything. In fact there's no Constitutional power for them to take a law up for review without a case. They gave themselves that power.

[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I find it implausible there would be no challenge, so scotus would have to agree either passively by refusing to take the case or actively by taking it in order for its legality to be settled.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

And I find it implausible that anybody listens to SCOTUS if we've gotten to the point that at least half of Congress is kicking a state out. It's certainly not a normal political environment at that point.

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