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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 82 points 8 months ago (5 children)

People were shitty monsters before capitalism, and after too. People have been people regardless of economic system.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 47 points 8 months ago

"Humanity is a disease" is not the same statement as "humanity is capable of committing atrocities" though. The latter leaves the door open for a "but", while the former makes humanity itself a systemic problem but refuses or "forgets" to pin the blame on anyone or any system.

Such statements devolve the conversation into defeatist pseudo-nihilism, where a "true nihilist" knows that the betterment of humanity will have to come from within.

I do agree that capitalism is not the root of all evil, but it is central to the particular "planet's fucked, housing is unaffordable, and no-one cares" doomer sentiment that is depicted in the meme (at least that is how I read it).

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sir, this is Lemmy. Everything bad past, present, and future is the fault of capitalism.

Oh yeah, everything bad is the fault of cars too. Almost forgot that one.

[–] Chestnut@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some one on that "we need more sensitive men like in LOTR" post one of the top comments was about how men aren't like this because capitalism. I point out the absurdity of that message and get ratio'd

Its such an echo chamber

[–] LazyBane@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Like yeah capitalism in it's current state us the cuase of a lot of problems, but the inevitable communist revolution isn't going to do much about the crushing expectations society puts on men.

[–] Funkytom467@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Society start to become unwell only when the few "monsters" get power, especially in a unbalanced way.

And yes some have and always will try to get it, but i don't think it's very relevant here...

Capitalism is a very powerful way for them to use our economic system to get their power, hence why it's a problem in itself.

And that's also why we could have hope for a system where they can't get power. Democracy is one solution, although limited, for example.

[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Humanity has put monsters in charge since the beginning. There are monsters in charge of all of us right this second.

[–] LazyBane@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

People really do love to try and tie every world issue into one thing, when the fact of the matter is that things like "the patriarchy" or "capitalism" are just tools of the oppressor and not the oppressor themselves.

It doesn't matter what ideology you run a society with if the people are the top are all shortsighted, self interested ideologues.

People accosiate monarchs with oppression for a reason.

[–] actionJack@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago

So much global equivocation in so few words.